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(I didn’t know sugar cubes were still a thing. Local supermart doesn’t stock them.)
Really? I just assumed they were normal and everywhere. Where is “local” for you?
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To me, it means disolving a sugar cube in a dash of bitters and a splash of water before pouring the whiskey.
That got me curious to look up the name. Apparently that concoction was popular in the early 1800’s under the name “bitter sling”, then people lost interest in it around 1830. It came back into popularity about 50 years later, when people started asking for “one of those old fashioned drinks”.
(I didn’t know sugar cubes were still a thing. Local supermart doesn’t stock them.)
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“Old fashioned” is certainly a relative term. To some, “old fashioned” might mean a thousand years ago; to others, a hundred. To me, it means disolving a sugar cube in a dash of bitters and a splash of water before pouring the whiskey.
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I mean, when I say “old fashioned” I mean that it dates from the late 18th/early 19th century.
Ah. That’s a couple of hundred years newer than my “old fashioned”.
“Old fashioned” is certainly a relative term. To some, “old fashioned” might mean a thousand years ago; to others, a hundred. To me, it means disolving a sugar cube in a dash of bitters and a splash of water before pouring the whiskey.
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Well, I could be wrong…
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I could also be wrong, I totally admit! I am far from an expert. In any case, I have mainly encountered the trope in a Victorian and Edwardian context, and in that context I’m quite certain of it. But that’s quite a bit later.
Definately going to go look for this on Amazon - I used to love fantasy series but haven’t read one in many years. I do fear it won’t be as accurate as you suggest, tho. For instance, reading the Wikipedia article you linked, it says the protagonist “was promoted Admiral”. That didn’t happen in the Royal Navy in Napoleanic times…
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I haven’t read the wikipedia article in any detail, to avoid spoilers, so I can’t speak to that because I haven’t gotten to the point where that happens. But in the series, the military is structured a bit differently. In particular, Laurence (the human co-protagonist) starts out in the Royal Navy, but once he ends up with a dragon he is transferred to the aviator corps, which functions somewhat differently, and with a much less rigid and hidebound organizational structure that is much less based on who you know and struct seniority, and a lot more on how powerful and skilled your dragon is, and how good a rapport you have with them and how well you work as a team. So if he ends up as an admiral anywhere, it would be in the air corps, not in the navy.
In universe, this leads them to be quite disdained by the Royal Navy (and to a lesser degree, the army) who see this way of doing things as borderline scandalous, bug having dragons on your side is so vital, and people who the dragons choose to work with care enough, that they basically have to put up with it.
The thing about historical fantasy is that it is going to depart from reality considerably. If you insert a fantastical element or two, and everything else stays the same, you haven’t done your job as an author.
I don’t know details yet, so this isn’t a spoiler for anyone, but in this setting, the fledgling United States recently broke away from the British Empire as in the real world, but there have been many references to the Inca Empire also still existing some ways south of them. Presumably they may have had dragons that helped them not be steamrolled by conquistadors? The books haven’t dealt much with the Americas yet, as far as I’ve gotten, so no more about that has been revealed.
Likewise, many of the people and events and battles, when I look them up on Wikipedia, are extremely true to history. But there are also some that any school child could tell you definitely did not happen at all, but I can say no more because spoilers. :)
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but probably not as smoking was seen as more of a lower class thing in that era - an officer would be more likely to take snuff.
Are you certain of that?
Well, I could be wrong, but my understanding is that cigars were introduced to England from Spain following the Peninsular war (that part of the Napoleanic wars where Britain invaded Spain to support the Spanish evicting Napolean’s forces), and they didn’t become popular until HRH Edward made them fashionable for high society.
Snuff was definately a thing for the elite classes in the Napoleanic era - Napolean himself used it (as did Queen Charlotte, George III’s wife, altho I don’t think the king did).
Granted, that doesn’t comport with the Austen novels (which I haven’t read, so I can’t really reconcile it).
The author has done an absurd amount of research, such that things only diverge from real history when she consciously decided they should, not accidentally.
Definately going to go look for this on Amazon - I used to love fantasy series but haven’t read one in many years. I do fear it won’t be as accurate as you suggest, tho. For instance, reading the Wikipedia article you linked, it says the protagonist “was promoted Admiral”. That didn’t happen in the Royal Navy in Napoleanic times (basically an officer started as a midshipman, was promoted lieutenant if he passed a test, was promoted to captain (“made post”) on merit, and then eventually became an admiral by seniority (if he lived long enough). Periodically the Admiralty would advance a whole bunch of captains to admirals if there was a specific captain they wanted to get to admiral rank (the captains thus advanced were called “Admirals of the Yellow” to distinquish them from the sea-going Admirals of the Blue, White, and Red, and knew they wouldn’t get a sea-going commission). Errors of detail like that can detract from my enjoyment of a book (altho of course it could just be bad wording in Wikipedia) - I gave up on O’Brian’s Aubry series because they just got steadily more removed from historical accuracy as he went on.
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I like port. :(
(and cigars. And scotch. And cock.)
Ah. That’s a couple of hundred years newer than my “old fashioned”.
I mean, it’s a squishy and context sensitive term. In some contexts I’ll refer to something from 1000 CD as “relatively recent”.
but probably not as smoking was seen as more of a lower class thing in that era - an officer would be more likely to take snuff.
Are you certain of that? You may know more than I do about this, I admit, but that doesn’t entirely jibe with the impression I’ve gotten from everything I’ve read. Like I said, in Jane Austen novels, the “cigars after dinner” thing is something that the very classy rich people do.
I know that snuff was also quite popular, but in literature I’ve always seen that as more of an incidental out and about thing. Like in Arthur Conan Doyle stories for example (most of a century later than Austen), a well off person will often have a snuff box and take snuff now and then (ew!) but you don’t go into the drawing room with your friends to sit there and snort snuff up your nose all evening. That’s what cigars are for.
Pipe smoking was considered pretty low class in the 19th century however. Especially clay pipes. Which I can see…I’ve smoked clay pipes and they SUUUUCK, and you wouldn’t use them if you could get something better.
(I’m currently reading an absurdly well researched historical fantasy series set during the Napoleonic wars, so it’s on my mind)
Which one? It’s my favorite period of history…I’d like to check it out.
Temeraire
I cannot recommend it enough. It’s basically “The Napoleonic Wars, but if there were dragons”. It’s really interesting, touching and emotional in places (a bit violent in others; it is set during a war after all, and has battles)
It’s also very much a totally non-romantic non-sexual “love story”, is how I would put it, because the relationship between the dragon and the human that the story follows is deep and touching and nuanced, and develops and grows over time. Totally platonic, but absolutely love.
The author has done an absurd amount of research, such that things only diverge from real history when she consciously decided they should, not accidentally. You look up a battle on Wikipedia and there it is…just without dragons, obviously.
It also actually thinks hard about the things it portrays and what they would entail instead of just scratching the surface. Like: (slight spoilers for the very broad strokes, less than a movie trailer would give you)
When dragons hatch they are predisposed toward emotionally bonding with a human (though they don’t HAVE to, and some opt not to) and, in Europe anyway, it is arranged that they should bond with trained aviators, to be used basically as heavy military equipment, with harnesses capable of carrying crews of riflemen, and others to drop small period accurate bombs and that sort of thing.
And they generally love it. They are temperamentally predisposed to love battle and fighting. But the question does come up from the dragon that is one of the two co-protagonists (alongside his human) of “We like doing this…but CAN we quit if we wanted to? I don’t want to, but if I CAN’T…isn’t that slavery?”
The dragon’s human is, while not an active part of the movement per se, from a staunchly abolitionist household and a strong believer that slavery is evil (which was considered a bit fringy at the time) so over the course of a lot of time and events, you see him start out with an attitude of “Well, what you have to understand is…I mean, it’s not the same because…reasons…” and watch as his deepening caring for his inconveniently smart dragon, and said dragon’s increasingly insightful questions, gradually change his position in a very real and human way, that is much more interesting than “Oh, I guess you’re right! Culturally normalized opinion is now reversed. Thanks for pointing that out!”
It also does a really good job of, while spending a lot of time focused on Europeans doing European things…so literally centered on Europe, at least for some of the books…not being painfully eurocentric in its narrative attitudes, even if many of the characters are, for obvious reasons.
And I’ll stop babbling now…but it’s a REALLY interesting series.
Having trouble keeping her inside thoughts inside, surely alcohol will help lmao
As the great philosopher Homer Simpson once said, “Ah alcohol…the cause of and solution to all of life’s problems”.
Though, like the Princesses, she DOES have superequine alcohol tolerances… >>2654170
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I mean, when I say “old fashioned” I mean that it dates from the late 18th/early 19th century.
Ah. That’s a couple of hundred years newer than my “old fashioned”.
As for sailors, at least officers who were gentlemen and had the sort of nice dinners in question (supplies allowing), it is my understanding that they just smoked up on deck, weather permitting.
Well, a dinner in the Royal Navy in 1800 would end with the loyal toast (and everyone banging their head on the deckbeams), which would likely be port or madeira. It’s possible a commissioned officer might then go on deck to smoke, but probably not as smoking was seen as more of a lower class thing in that era - an officer would be more likely to take snuff. Sailors and warrant officers (gunner, carpenter, bosun, etc) might smoke on deck when off watch.
(I’m currently reading an absurdly well researched historical fantasy series set during the Napoleonic wars, so it’s on my mind)
Which one? It’s my favorite period of history…I’d like to check it out.
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I’m going to have to take the opposite opinion of Gnot, and state that a nice cigar after a meal is a delightful treat, but that they go far better with a brandy, or cognac, or a nice scotch, than a port. I personally can’t stand the taste of port.
That said, being a vintner, Peach’s mom would probably be more likely to serve port after dinner than any other liqueur, at which point I would fully support Adagio if she spits it back in Ruby’s face and then sucks Peach’s cock right in front of her just to get the taste out of her mouth. Port is gross.
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I mean, when I say “old fashioned” I mean that it dates from the late 18th/early 19th century. It’s a thing in Jane Austen novels from the early 1800s.
As for sailors, at least officers who were gentlemen and had the sort of nice dinners in question (supplies allowing), it is my understanding that they just smoked up on deck, weather permitting.
(I’m currently reading an absurdly well researched historical fantasy series set during the Napoleonic wars, so it’s on my mind)
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Well, the port is old fashioned, the cigars are a new (relatively speaking) addition. Port as an after dinner drink started with the Royal Navy, and smoking on ship below decks was forbidden - and in those days smokers smoked pipes, not cigars, anyway. Cigars are a late Victorian addition (largely due to HRH the Prince of Wales, Bertie being an avid cigar smoker).
So the girls can have port (as long as they pass to the left) but they should skip the cigars.
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Cigars are disgusting. They can have port and dirty talk, that would be fine.
Retiring after a nice dinner for port and cigars is just a traditional old fashioned trope for upper class people in the US and UK, which I was invoking. :P
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Is that appropriate dessert conversation, or better discussed over mignardise and coffee?
I had to go look “mignardise” up. Wikipedia says it means literary pretense. So I guess that’s the part where everyone lies about their sex lives?
Though traditionally the sex talk would be more of a “port and cigars” thing, once the women are elsewhere. Time to get past that old fashioned hangup, I say. Let the girls have cigars and dirty talk too!
Cigars are disgusting. They can have port and dirty talk, that would be fine.
(Mignardise, pronounced “min jar deez” because it’s French so of course it’s not pronounced anything like the way it’s written, also refers to tiny pastries served at the end of a meal. I never knew those things even had their own name.)
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Madam, if you think your son wearing a collar is kinky, you are severely underestimating him and his girlfriend’s sex life.
She is perhaps a bit sheltered.
Is that appropriate dessert conversation, or better discussed over mignardise and coffee?
Though traditionally the sex talk would be more of a “port and cigars” thing, once the women are elsewhere. Time to get past that old fashioned hangup, I say. Let the girls have cigars and dirty talk too!
Man, AndwhatIsee has all the good questions. Meanwhile I’m sitting here wondering what a pony uses to make a meatball.
Presumably something starting with legumes and breadcrumbs? Meatless “meatballs” are a thing, and I liked the prop, so I just went with it. :)
(looks like Peach is clearing his plate - he’s a growing boy, in the “I eat whatever’s in front of me and ask for seconds” phase).
And when Adagio has him alone, a groaning boy as well ;)
My guess is that Peach’s mom has fantastic hearing and is catching every one of these things that she and Peach think they are saying to themselves. So she’s pushing a little because she knows Adagio is putting on an act and she wants to see who she really is, for her son’s sake. She wants him to be happy, of course, but also doesn’t want him falling under the sway of someone who is just using him and will drop him once they get bored nor someone who is abusing him but making him believe it’s love.
Certainly a valid interpretation. And frankly, if YOU saw your (somewhat delicate) only son or daughter bring home someone looking and acting like Adagio…what would your first impression be of her?
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My guess is that Peach’s mom has fantastic hearing and is catching every one of these things that she and Peach think they are saying to themselves. So she’s pushing a little because she knows Adagio is putting on an act and she wants to see who she really is, for her son’s sake. She wants him to be happy, of course, but also doesn’t want him falling under the sway of someone who is just using him and will drop him once they get bored nor someone who is abusing him but making him believe it’s love.
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Man, AndwhatIsee has all the good questions. Meanwhile I’m sitting here wondering what a pony uses to make a meatball. (looks like Peach is clearing his plate - he’s a growing boy, in the “I eat whatever’s in front of me and ask for seconds” phase).
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Madam, if you think your son wearing a collar is kinky, you are severely underestimating him and his girlfriend’s sex life. What do you think is the appropriate time during dinner to tell your mom about the time you sucked a dude’s cock and then watched your girlfriend fuck him? Is that appropriate dessert conversation, or better discussed over mignardise and coffee?