Thoughts on artitistic depictions of Murder, Death and Erotic Death

I’ve seen some pretty messed up things over the years, but it seems that violent porn or graphic depictions of death are climbing pretty fast.  
I don’t typically use Blacklists because I enjoy seeing artistic talent from all walks of the field.  
But, there seems to be quite the abundance of, well, “grimdark” in the sense it feels (IMO) like an epidemic of murder/death fantasies.  
Which isn’t all that healthy for anyone.
 
What are your thoughts?

@MoonGazer Lunarium
 
My thoughts are that using blacklists and filters will be very healthy for any individual disliking grimdark very much.

@Stooped_hooy
 
That’s not really what I meant.  
I’ve just noticed a recent surge of this type of content over the last few years within the Furry and Brony fandom.  
There’s more and more grimdark content being pumped out these sites may as well be considered Snuff Sites at this point.  
The artistic equivalent of a Red Room, essentially.
 
As I stated, I don’t use Blacklists because i enjoy Art and talent and am asking for thoughts on the recent surge if grimdark.  
Nothing extreme like banning or censoring.  
It’s just…. Odd….

@MoonGazer Lunarium
 
So you don’t want to talk about how odd, amoral and unnatural it is?  
If you really want to make a research then…  
People were always into things you mentioned. If you are to make at least semi-objective research then you should compare grimdark to safe ration in past to grimdark to safe ratio in present (or just relative ratio of grimdark to everything else posted). What you see now can be affected by total mass of pony/furry arts rapidly increasing in past years and your own tastes, your experience with finding stuff using tags, libido, etc.

For example, now there are 29,900 Grimdark art pieces versus 1,347,916 Safe pieces, out of 1,852,074 pieces in total.  
1.6% of all arts posted here don’t really look like a “recent surge” or “abundance” you mentioned.  
Unless you provide comparisons of that ratio being lower in past (with sources of course).

My thoughts are:
 
I resent when a site doesn’t have filters, or if has a way to blacklist an artists but not content, as there are artists whose other stuff I like, but they dabble in the occasional gory/grim porn and I’d rather skip that stuff.
 
And while people say “don’t kink-shame”, I find the idea of anybody getting off on it disgusting, and not in a good way.
 
I’ve faved some stuff people find perverse, but my attitude is “at least the participants are alive and in one piece”.
 
Sorry, but I had a bit of trouble with getting the Rule34 blacklisting system right and had to see a few pieces I particularly hate; currently feeling very spiteful towards those particular artists and their fans…

Blessed are those who tell apart reality from fantasy and fiction.

@Stooped_hooy  

@Alexk13
 
Then why all the outrage over Cub, Shota and Loli?  
Technically still fantasy, technically still fiction.
 
My original process for the post was to bring awareness to the community. As I do not use Blacklists, I see frequent uploads of Grimdark works uploaded. I can’t give a numerical value because I, frankly, have no idea on how to go on about doing that.
 
Fantasies typically have a subconscious desire for something that is either unobtainable or inappropriate.  
Cub, Loli and Shota have been linked with Child Abuse and Pedophilia and subsequently banned across numerous countries and websites.
 
Gore, Snuff, Rape etc also fall within these rules of violent mental disorders such as Sadistic Personality Disorder and forms of Psychopathy and can easily be linked to the Art…… But is generally ignored.
 
https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/4380/sadistic-personality-disorder-psychopathy-and-correlation-with-violence
 
For an age that is brimming with debates and sciences revolving around Mental Disabilities, Disorders and Health.  
How was this missed by the entirety of both the Brony and Furry fandoms?

@MoonGazer Lunarium  

 
Well yeah, do you expect me to fucking find a fictional fish monster IRL and jerk it off or a real life zombie with rainbow blood and get him to rip out his organs?
 
Drawings and stories don’t hurt anyone, stop trying to act like people making or consuming them is hurting anyone. Would you rather every single person with a deviant fetish or desire perform it in real life? No. Fiction is a lot safer. I’d rather someone jack off to a drawing of a young character than fuck a real young person. Or for someone to write a story about a serial rapist or murderer than actually being one.
 
It’s overtly paranoid and reeks of purity police to be acting like drawings and stories of even slightly taboo topics to be cause of concern. Fiction is full of horrible things, we all know those thongs are horrible, that’s why we write about and draw them. Fiction isn’t reality. If people start dictating that I can only make and consume perfectly innocent and safe things I’ll be so fucking bored out of my mind that I wouldn’t know how to deal with it.

@LightningBolt
 
Sadistic Personality Disorder.  
It’s a real thing and usually DOES end up hurting people.
 
That’s why I posted a link to my source.
 
I’m not being a Purist, bringing up Mental Health isn’t being Purist. This is found Science and you’re trying to disregard it based on your own likes and dislikes.  
Which is bias.
 
I am fully aware that everything on this site is Fantasy and Fiction. But the underlying tones of Grimdark are telling of closeted violent and abusive individuals.
 
Which seems to have permeated both Fandoms.
 
Take you for instance. I have questioned something you like, support and consume and you have become immediately hostile towards me just for stating an observed fact with a source to back up my claim.

@MoonGazer Lunarium  
Anything can end up hurting people. Censoring and hiding things will not solve anything.

@LightningBolt
 
I’m not advocating Censorship.  
I’m just trying to bring awareness to the communities.
 
I also find it hypocritical to ban one thing for XYZ reasons and leave another thing which is just as bad.  
I find it ridiculous and lazy of Governments/Corporations.
 
But, I’ve taken notice of the influx of violent works and decided to make a public note of it and am asking for opinions on it. Not to start and argument or flamewar.  
Because I’m sure there are others like myself who’ve noticed too.
 
I don’t really care, personally, what you jack to. I just understand the reasons or underlying reasons why people do it or enjoy seeing it.
 
It’s a slippery slope too. Because normalizing it is just as harmful as censoring it.

@MoonGazer Lunarium  
‘Awareness’ is not exactly helpful, and I don’t have any control over laws.
 
I don’t have control over what some countries deem as acceptable and not acceptable to host.
 
Compared to the amount of safe or ‘nice’ art, gore, violence, and aggression is a small amount.

@LightningBolt
 
True.  
Especially when compared to the Furry Fandom.

@MoonGazer Lunarium  
That’s also a small amount.
 
It’s not an issue, don’t make it one, you don’t need to bring ‘awareness’.
 
It is only an issue if you make it one. Correlation is not causation.

Porn exists as a coping mechanism for an artificial scarcity of sex. And where does sexual harassment come from? Sexual harassment is a retaliation against, once again, an artificial scarcity of sex. Stigmatizing people for not falling exactly into your conception of an allegedly-ideal set of behavior is hardly relevant. Humans are domesticated animals, if they don’t have some outlet to express their inadequacy and frustration for being conditioned by civilization they will actually become violent. Are you conducting this research because you are under the impression that this trend is indicative of anything other than the natural conflict between animal nature and civilized culture? Do you really think that the way these people feel is not symptomatic of anything other than their own “inexplicable defectiveness”?

@TheDragonoid
 
Read my link.  
It’s not my personal ideal.  
It’s scuentific fact and can he linked between the two.
 
And usually the people who are strongly defensive of this stuff usually suffer from an underlying disorder or trauma.
 
Which makes one wonder.  
Just how violent and psychotic is the Brony and Furry Fandoms?
 
Adding the current political climate, it wouldn’t be surprising to see multiple cases of Sadistic Personality Disorder pop up, or other forms of Psychosis.
 
But I’m through here, it’s obvious everyone will turn a blind eye until it completely manifests into a problem that cannot be ignored, and then the fandoms will be tarnished further.

@MoonGazer Lunarium  
Again, you’re using “scuentific” fact as a excuse to keep an acausal view on this matter. Do you think personality disorders exist in a vacuum? There is a interminable list of psychopaths that never became violent. Why is that? Genes aren’t enough to trigger violence if the social aspect of things is on check. I’m not saying that you’re wrong in your analysis, because, technically, you are not. People who are likely to sexually harass are going to seek agressive pornography; however, with porn satisfying their desires they are less likely to act on these fantasies. That’s how civilization maintains itself, through the sedation of human animals. And, once again, i ask you this, and hopefully you are going to answer it this time: Do you really think that the way these people feel is not symptomatic of anything other than their own inexplicable defectiveness?

@TheDragonoid
 
You have no base for argument if you’re dismissing evidence.  
You’re literally arguing your personal opinion as fact, which it isn’t.
 
I will not respond to you further.

@MoonGazer Lunarium  
I actually acknowledged the evidence you brought to the table, i just put it in context.  
I’m simply saying that it’s myopic to telescope on supposedly-deviant behaviors when they just comprise a small percentage of the larger trend of “defective conducts”.
 
You are the one making baseless value-judgements, which is apparent through your inability to even acknowledged my simple line of logic, all just to favor your narrative. I’m even recognizing how sound you evidence is, but you chose  
to walk in circles.
 
Just tell me: How the fact that civilization not been present for 99% of the existence of hominids, and it’s sudden emergence causing effects on human animals is my “personal opinion”? How the existence of pedophiles and psychopaths that never commit any crimes is also my opinion? When civilization exists in a form where all forms of alienation (among many other things) are rampant, as can be seen in the ever so egregious proliferation of antidepressants, people will sometimes end up with some unusual ways of venting this near-existential stress. That’s normal and expected; it has happened over and over again throught history.

Lmao.
 
This thread itself and its author is not really worth replying to be honest.  
They contradict themselves so hard.
 
Asking for personal opinions (thoughts) when they are asked for solid data and statistics then dismissing extremely constructive and well formed opinions they asked for just because they don’t like them.  
They pretend to understand “scuentific” articles and very complex psychological researches yet they can’t do something as simple as comparing ratios of “unhealthy” art in present and in past to support their subjective and totally unscientific claims.  
Because their claims is a pile of steaming bullshit and they know it, hence they bounce from “opinions” to “science” in a blink of an eye, only to prove themselves right.
 
Only fuels my suspicions they looked for that kind of circle-jerking from beginning where participants agree to each other and hate on a certain group people.
 
To sum it up for any possible future participants reading this, if you are looking for a healthy discussion, you will not find it here.

@Stooped_hooy
 
I gave evidence to my claim to which no one else gave any other than personal opinion.
 
The only person who has appeared in this thread with a valid argument to which we came to understanding was a Site Moderator.
 
I asked for thoughts on the subject matter at hand, to which people started pointing fingers so I gave a harsh reality to the subject matter.  
Which no one seems to like at all.
 
The reason i never gave a response to you is because the action you requested me to do I cannot fufill because i have no real way or knowledge of how to prove my point on your grounds.  
Which I’m sure you’re aware of.
 
If you want to start a debate, the first thing you DON’T do is completely dismiss the entire argument and evidence given.
 
I asked for thoughts, that’s all.  
Ie What do you think about XYZ?  
And I was immediately beset upon by semantics and rhetoric.

Pffft. Gave us a harsh reality. So full of yourself. A herald of truth has come!
 
First thing is, if people don’t like what you say, that doesn’t mean what you are saying is truth.
 
Reality is far worse than whatever you or artists drawing sexualized gore and snuff can show. You are too inexperienced to know better yet you try to dictate what should be censored by bringing “awareness” which, as I saw right here, consists of stigmatizing people based on their tastes and calling people mentally ill, psychopaths, etc.
 
Your evidence is bullshit because you can’t diagnose anyone in the net based on the porn they jerk off to without looking like a complete retard. Even certified psychiatrist and psychologists know better than doing that.

@Stooped_hooy
 
Lol  
I never said I could diagnose people on the net, I just pointed out the two were linked to each other and you obviously don’t like that.
 
You’ve given zero evidence or any real argument other than rhetoric or semantics.  
Throwing evidence or data out the room and making a Strawman claim.
 
I’m no longer responding to you, you obviously have no real idea what a “Thought” is nor how to actually debate without screeching like a hurt canine.
 
Good day.
 
Grimdark = Sadistic Personality Disorder.  
;)