The Pizza Thread - With a Side of Toxic-Mario

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@M1J  
It’s hard to imagine that he’s innocent though. Generally when someone is accused of something they’re innocent of, they would at least address and deny the accusations, and provide proof if able (which in his case, would be pretty easy to prove).
 
Instead, he’s flaunting around and mocking the accusations, which is not the typical behavior of an innocent person.
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… which in his case, would be pretty easy to prove …
 
I don’t think it would be. I mean, it seems like Tox released all the evidence he has (stream recordings from a while back), and that didn’t really amount to anything since he started those recordings with a sketch. And I don’t get the feeling that he’s recorded any of his process aside from his stream, so he’s kinda stuck without much to offer up.
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@Exedrus  
This kind of thing would be so easy to disprove. All he’d have to do would be to sketch his anthros start to finish on a stream.
 
I have NEVER started a stream with a sketch already done. I do everything from the very beginning. That’s such a convenient thing to cut out if you’re tracing.
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Hmm, hadn’t thought of that. He could show that he has the ability to draw these without tracing, but that wouldn’t exactly disprove that he hadn’t traced existing images. I mean, anyone who can draw something without tracing can definitely do it with tracing.
 
With that said, what you’re suggesting wouldn’t be a bad idea for him; it would probably weaken the accusations he’s dealing with. (Although I’d suggest that he also capture himself and his computer screen in the recording, to prevent accusations that he’s just taped a sketch to his monitor.)
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@Exedrus  
yeah, but look at the yoko pic, then his ponies. Even without the evidence (his drawing and a yoko pic almost flawlessly coincide), you can tell there’s something fishy.  
A person that can barely get down pony anatomy won’t just pop up a piece with such a good anatomy.  
And look at the face and how the quality of it clashes with the quality of the body.
 
The problem is that he cannot disprove it. The evidence is too damn strong and his proof were a pencil sketch (and that too matched the traced pic perfectly) and a stream that conveniently starts when the lineart is already done.
 
And his dismissive and provocative attitude doesn’t really warm up people to think it might just be a coincidence. Instead of trying his best to disprove the claims he resorts to banning people who bring that up in his deviantart comment section and is more concerned with it dying out than actually doing something to stop it.
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IIRC he had a falling-out with a group of well-known pony artists in 2012 over something similar, though at that time it might have just been an issue with him blowing up at someone over criticism, and was only just starting to pull himself out of the slump caused by that when I stopped watching his streams in one of the many hiatuses focused around season 3, when he and one of his two mods turned militantly anti-clop. I poked my head in a few years ago and he was still just as over-the-top anti-clop as he was when I left, but with an extra few dollops of pretension slathered on top because he’d given up on accepting dissenting opinions of any form and banned anyone that openly disagreed with him on anything.
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no wonder nothing fazes him, he created for himself an echochamber where everyone says he’s a great artist and defends him no-stop. So everyone who doesn’t worship him must be stupid.  
The fact that he actually brags about being hated on derpibooru speaks miles of how far up his ass his head is
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This is quite untrue. Those closest to him online continually shit on his art. No one defends his art in his streams or him. They regularly call him out on shit. The problem is he thinks most of it is them joking with him. IF he didn’t sell it it probably would not get so bad because bad art is not something to shit on someone for if they are trying to get better and I will say at least with anthros he is trying to get better, even if only by small amount and countless hours of frustration for everyone else. I can’t say the same for actual ponies though. That ship sailed long ago.
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@icesticker  
that is interesting to hear, sorry for the assumption.  
But he’s basically still deluding himself into believing his a better artist than he really is, did i get that right?
 
Also… do you know how much he sells… if he sells? I heard he barely breaks even and that he’s not well accepted in ponycons. Is that true?
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@EOWDT  
Nah, he pretty much knows he is shit, but doesn’t care. He uses the excuse that is not his job to justify his art is not good, though I am sure privately he thinks he is better than he is until someone tells him he is shit, then he usually agress.
 
I can’t say how much he sells, because that is private information, but I do know, and he usually breaks even at least or makes a profit even if it is only like 30 bucks, though he has bombed some cons.
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But Toxic-Mario’s watchers on DeviantART constantly praise him. Just go read some comments. That is the real echo chamber.
 
@icesticker  
There is a rumor he sleeps at bus or train stations because he can’t afford any housing during the con. I wonder if that is true.
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Can you guys not devolve this into a creepy and sad stalker thing? Moving from from “this guy traces and reacts poorly when confronted” to “I hear he buts cardboard in the plastic recycle bin” low-grade rumour bullshit is pathetic.
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@The Smiling Pony  
I’m sorry, I wasn’t meaning to sound that way. I thought I was just stating a fact :(  
I heard that from a friend who vends with him a lot, and I didn’t mean to sound like I was judging him for that. I’ve slept in some weird places when I was exhausted before.
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Okay now that is starting to come back. I vaguely remember since I saw Slinger at BABS so I didn’t browse much of his stuff at Bronycon then.
 
Sucks SS is leaving cons this year.
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@Archonix  
He was sharing a table with Silver Slinger because he himself was rejected for vending. Apparently he did that more than once (jump onto SS’s table if he didn’t make it in). It’s not strictly against the rules, but Bronycon weren’t pleased about it.
 
Generally if a convention says “Sorry, your work’s not up to our standards,” it means it’s a no. I can understand why BC didn’t like him sneaky-vending anyway.
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@Archonix  
At this point, I don’t think his tracing is the biggest problem people have with him - it’s his attitude. I’ve never seen someone reply to every single comment directed at him with something mean or childish. It must be exhausting.
 
It’s not hard to be polite to people, especially when you’re an artist with any kind of audience. It reflects terribly on your art if you misbehave and call people names, and then post stupid reaction images. It shows he doesn’t give a fuck about his consumers, and even when he is punished and suffers because of it (losing his Bronycon table, having his work mass-downvoted), he never seems to learn that he is the cause of it, and never seems to understand why it’s happening.
 
I sincerely hope he can take this experience and learn, and better himself as a person and a public figure, in the fandom and in general. It’s never too late to change.  
I also hope he stops tracing sometime soon, but, y’know. Swings and roundabouts.
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