Toxic-Mario traced artwork

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Background Pony #34A6
https://derpibooru.org/1311309 you can catch up with what happened here.
Basically someone caught Toxic-Mario tracing, but he insists on saying it’s not a trace. The point is that he sells traced artworks and that just goes against the moral integrity of an artist.
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Worst part is, if people keep coddling him and believing him, and he keeps blatantly lying, he will keep thinking this is okay. He’s selling traced works. THat’s wrong.

This is what happened with Drawponies. It isn’t that he thought he would get away with it, it’s just that he thought it was acceptable behavior.

This isn’t acceptable behavior, Toxic Mario. Own up to it, apologize, pledge to never do it again.
Tracing is never the answer to getting good. It may be a useful tool, in a way that tracing helps learn anatomy. Posting it and claiming it’s your work is when it goes awry.
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>when a mod locks a thread right as you’re about to make a post detailing exactly why locking threads takes power away from the community and gives shitty artists freedom to keep tracing and doing whatever the fuck they want

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i have a fear that no one will read this topic. But let’s not be salty and make with what we get.
Can you post what you were about to say?
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@Background Pony #34A6
Nope. I was stupid and made the mistake of not copying what I had written before submitting, so it got deleted.

In short, the comments section of a picture is the ONLY way for people to give proper negative feedback on shitty behaviors like tracing. It creates a problem for the artist that can’t be easily avoided. The alternatives are even more extreme things, like –

>Getting the artist in question banned from real life events and conventions

>Getting the artist’s blog or dA taken down (easy for tumblr, hard for dA, and far too extreme of a reaction anyway)

>Nothing

It seems the mods of this site would prefer we take the third option, sit down, shut up, and eat the shit we’re fed.
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I myself said my peace on this matter. I could’ve said what I said nicer and more easier for mods to deal with, but I get carried away in cases of tracing. I go all Terry Crews on that shit.

I hope you learn from this Toxic Mario, becoming the next Traceponies is not something either of us want to see in your future. I want to see you actually git gud and not trying to cheat your way there.
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No, we prefer you not to clutter up the image index with unrelated shit. We have forums for precisely this reason. And look, here you are!

Well done!
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Can regular users be condescending too or is that just a mod privilege
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You’re missing the point. While it’s more convenient for you – the moderators who read the comment queue – it’s completely useless for everyone else. This thread serves no purpose anymore. Toxic-Mario doesn’t have to put up with it. He’s already editing all the tags on the other images to clear his name.

Telling us to make a thread about a single-image issue is like telling someone to file a support ticket at the police station for a violent crime. It may be more convenient for you to handle, but it is completely ineffective at either punishing or correcting the underlying problem, which is the crime itself (and not the complaints made by those affected).
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please, let’s calm down. Attacking the mod ain’t gonna help.
I’m ok with moving here, but i have the fear the visibility isn’t the same. I would like to ask to put the link to this topic on the pic, so that those who wanna follow the discussion know where to go.

Said that, is there something that is done to artist that trace other’s artwork? Especially considering those are sold
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The main gallery isn’t meant to be reddit, or imgur, or a newsfeed or whatever; it’s meant to be where art goes. The forums were made specifically to discuss meta stuff like "this".

We’re also not the "definitive" site for the fandom, we just host pony images.
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So to extend the analogy, you’d rather just skip the police entirely and resort to a nice bit of mob justice, because mob justice always gets results.

For reasons I do not wish to go into here, I take an extremely dim view of that attitude.

Image comments are not the place to mete out your brand of punishment, nor are they a court in which to judge those you claim are guilty of various crimes against art.

Deal with it.
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can we pleas stop arguing over where we should discuss and just discuss? I have the proof that that pic is traced. Toxic acts like he did nothing wrong and scoffs at it like he did nothing wrong.

That’s the discussion, not the mod conduct.

I want to know some moderator opinion on this, if it’s not a problem
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So I’m a bit late to the whole issue, but to ask something on-topic:
Apparently that image was traced. Now, while I do understand the mentality against selling traced work, and agree. My one question is: Is this the only picture that is believed to have been traced, or are there more?
Doing a quick glance at the comments on the original image gave me the impression that this is the first pic to be found as a trace by this guy. Are there more?

I’m asking because his reply seemed to indicate he purposefully heavily "referenced" the picture due to his liking of the pose. I just want to know if this is something people have found him to do before or not.
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Do you really think this is mob justice?

Do you have any idea what "mob justice" in this context looks like? I do. I know 3 artists who have been victim to it, and a fourth one who deserved it. This isn’t mob justice, this is doing them a favor by keeping it so confined and relatively benign. Dealing with some angry people on the internet shouldn’t become a Nuremburg trial. It’s as simple as saying "Oh, you’re right, I guess that was pretty unethical. I’ll take the five seconds to correct that and be more conscientious of it in the future." Boom, done.

Calling this mob justice is a terrible exaggeration and really shows a lack of understanding of the scope of the issue as a whole.
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Well if you look at his anthro and compare it to other pics, you can really see some sort of weird dissonance.

THe bodies on the anthros are good, TOO good compared to (no offence) Toxic’s usual stuff
This was what first got me interested in the above picture, and it turned out, boom, traced.
The only real way to find if they’re traced, like the one above, is to find the original source picture he traced from, as otherwise he’ll just deny deny deny.
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the image posted is the only one that was found so far, but if i have to give my two cents, all his other anime anthro are traced in some fashion, as the style there is too different from his usual.
Take a look at his anthro gilda, then all the other. The skill difference is like night and day.
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We should make bronies aware of this incident just like they did with drawponies. Someone should write to EquestriaDaily.
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Well I’m not going to go out and say he’s not tracing those as well. I just dislike assuming that all of one’s work is traced when only one image so-far has been found to be such.

Again, not denying it’s possible. I’d just prefer to see more proof than one image before completely denouncing an artist. That’s just me though~
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His attitude is what tips me off, personally. People who are so slippery and deflective when it comes to accusations of dishonesty are usually, uh… well, dishonest. I’ve seen this before, many times. I’ve seen the relative quality of his ponies, compared with the relative quality of some other aspects of "his" work. And I wonder if there’s a very plausible reason for that. See where I’m going with this?

Unfortunately, the onus is almost entirely on random internet-goers to find out. And that means searching endlessly for possible traced pictures. It’s exhausting as hell, frankly.
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Are you… are you somehow not seeing the post he was responding to? Are you using some plug-in to hide specific users, or did the repy-to link feature break? Because, like, wew lad.
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