The Furry Dilemma [NSFW] and Gory/Guro/Grotesque

Now, before we get too into this, let me just say that I do not have a problem with everything that falls under the purview of “furry”; as “furry” is much more of a blanket term than people realize - anything that blurs the lines of species identity can be called “furry” - this is impossible.
 
I have always been fascinated by the idea of a monster becoming more human than dedicated humans, you cannot be a fan of Shakespeare without being a fan of one of the biggest furries of the age, and I still have a major crush on this one girl in part because she, as an explicit species-line-blurrer, has created some of the most amazing deconstructions of the genre ever (she shares my views on furries, amusingly, as I’ll get to in a minute).
 
The term encompasses so much, and is so ill-defined, that it is basically impossible not to have had some positive contact with furrydom. For fuck’s sake, many of us here have created insanely hot pictures of cartoon horses and in some cases developed a crush on said horses, lol and yet here I am.
 
No, for the purpose of this discussion, when I say furries, I am referring to the more, ahem, prolific contributors to the modern perception of the term. You know the ones I’m talking about. The disproportioned wolves with ten tails, ear gauges, and dayglow pelts. The overmuscled Anubis ripoffs portrayed as raping cows (which would not work since cows, and plant eaters in general, have to be badass by nature). The douchebro pierced fox OCs who look like they were yanked out of Hot Topic with a total shiteating grin on their face. THOSE fuckers.
 
Why is it that THIS is what has come from blurring the species line? Why is it that the results of crossing nature’s boundaries invariably results in some Myspace tool turning himself into a fox or a dragon and raping Princess Celestia? Why is it that they are all either Donut Steels or such complete Dracos in Leather Pants that everyone cannot stand them? And most of all, why has nobody drawn pictures of our favorite ponies mutilating these obnoxious bastards most graphically?
 
Discuss the concept of furries, why they are such tools, and what guro-tastic R34 should be used to punish them. Me, I’d pick Rarity and Trixie doing the swords through the box trick…Vlad the Impaler style. XD

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@The Smiling Pony  
Now, does that refer to the General Discussion forum or forums in general? In any case, yes, the less furry porn that results from this endeavor the better. XD

@Background Pony  
NSFW images can be posted in the Art and RP forums; elsewhere, keep it safe.

Something tells me this is nothing but a troll thread. That you’re here to pick a fight. Especially the last paragraph you wrote.

@The Smiling Pony  
Can do! :D

@JP  
No, nothing like that. It’s just my natural hate for this kind of thing bleeding into the forum. I assure you, I want to generate some serious discussion on the topic, since this IS both pervasive and a problem for the less objectionable of those called furries.

I can answer this.
 
I am a EX-furry, who is probably one of the most well versed people on the furry fandom. The problem stems from the furry fandom itself and how it behaves itself. The short version is that it’s is viewed as a negative for any furry to ever judge or say anything negative about the behaviours of another.
 
What I mean by that is the first rule of furry is, “judge not your fellow fur” and I don’t mean in “It’s okay to not like the things I like” sort of way, I mean in a “if you ever judge another furry then you can never be a ‘true’ furry” sort of way. The furry fandom has this ideal of what it considers to be a “true” furry as someone that even if a another person is doing something immoral or illegal that they are never to judge another person or even do something as call the cops. Like let’s say a furry has a rape fetish and at a convention rapes someone. The response isn’t to call the cops, the response is to tell the victims “YOU CALLED THE COPS?! YOU CALLED THE COPS! YOU’RE NOT A TRUE FURRY!”, and yes that has happened to several people at past conventions.
 
Another prime example of this was that a furry wanted to kill his parents and as payment for helping him he would allow his boyfriend to bite off his penis. The response wasn’t, “dafuq?!”, rather the response by the fandom was, “we shouldn’t make any rash conclusions on this”.
 
I can go on and on and on about this topic if you want.
 
That poses a massive problem for furries, cause if a fandom has no means of curtailing negative behaviour when it comes to immoral or illegal activity then that attracts people on the internet looking for a place to not be judged for their immoral or illegal activities or any negative behaviour or such.
 
Now before I get any further or get a angry message let me clarify, I do NOT have a problem with the furry fandom so much as I dislike how their members conduct themselves.
 
This raises all sorts of problems for the furry fandom. When you have a subculture so wrapped up in never saying anything judgemental about others or so wrapped up this idea of what is a “true” furry then that translates into what the fandom produces as well.
 
If a fandom has no means of getting people to realize, “hey that’s not cool bro” then anything and everything becomes permitted when making art or such. If you are to never say anything negative about anything done by another member of your fandom then what happens when someone starts drawing things like you were talking about? What happens when the extreme members of a fandom are never told to shut it?
 

 
I’ll finish up by what can be done by us as bronies to stop them from doing as they do to the mlp fandom. Do NOT fight them and do NOT give them any attention. What I mean by that is do NOT start drawing gore to troll them or anything. I saw several massive drama storms, and even when I was a furry started spreading false rumors just to watch them freak out, and if there is one thing furries are good at it’s throwing tantrums. If we bronies as a whole begin to start trolling them and trying to stop them then they’ll throw a tantrum and start telling their members “you can never be a true furry and a brony”. This actually happened when mlp:fim first came onto the scene and furries started drawing tons of fanart. You were seeing thousands of furries threaten to carbomb any artist who drew mlp art, you were seeing furries send death threats to artists who drew mlp banners for websites, you were seeing furries chanting “death to all bronies” and other crazy websites.
 
. . . However this wound up in bronies favour. As of late the furry fandom has been for the most part quiet on the topic. The reason being is that if you go around sending death threats to artists for drawing what they like then yeah they’re going to leave. Now they’re trying the “well if you like anything with cartoon animals then you’re a furry” stick they always pull since so many of their artists did begin jumping ship for mlp since people treat them better here. So many of their artists did begin jumping ship because we treat them better that their net growth in membership, excluding brony furs, started going down.
 
 
So what I am getting at is yes there are crazy furries, yes they do not behave themselves well, BUT do not fight them cause a ton of their members are jumping ship for our fandom cause we treat artists nicer and don’t send them death threats.
 
Tl:dr; the only winning move is to not play.

@cb5  
I wasn’t actually expecting to get an ex-furry on this topic, but I’m glad that worked out. :D

@Background Pony  
Oh I could pretty much tell you everything about the furry fandom from the ground up. I was a furry for seven years and heavily involved with the fandom.
 
The whole furry fandom survives on other fandoms pushing them out in a way and could not survive if people didn’t hate them. What I mean by that is if bronies, digimon fans, pokemon fans, sonic fans and others instead of trying to get rid of them instead went, “Yeah anthropomorphic characters are okay” the furry fandom would cease to exist. Right now the furry fandom exists cause of this notion that in the furry fandom only can one be a fan of anthropomorphic characters and that no where else can one be a fan of it. It pushes fans of anthropomorphic ponies, fans of anthropomorphic digimon, fans of anthropomorphic pokemon, fans of anthropomorphic sonic art out of their own fanbases and they coalesce under the banner of “furry”. If people truly wanted to get rid of the furry fandom all it would take is for mainstream fandoms to go, “yeah anthropomorphic characters are a branch of our fanbase” you would hear a *poof and the furry fandom would cease to exist.
 
If the internet truly and seriously wanted to get rid of the furry fandom that’s all it would take.

Uh, you can get a current furry’s feedback on this too if you want. I have no idea what the fuck cb5 is smoking, or what corner of the internet he spends most of his time on. :V
 
As one, and knowing many, most of us just like animalistic humans/humanised animals (whichever way you prefer to see them if you even see a difference at all) and in no way require other people judging, shaming or hating us to do so while still self-identifying as one. Most of us would be overjoyed if the internet could get over its random hate-boner for it, and really, it kind of has.
 
Furries don’t get nearly the flack we used to, unless you’re the giant bag of stereotypes the OP and cb5 talk about.
 
Where do the sparkledogs come from? Where ALL shitty OCs come from, regardless of fandom.
 
Do furries kink-shame or defend other people’s kinks beyond rational degrees? whynotboth.jpg We’re not a hive-mind. We’re barely even really a fandom. We’re a broad label internet community, a Venn diagram circle intersecting with a hundred other fandoms.
 
You’ll get the people who will look down their noses at you and call you a disgusting piece of shit for liking pretty much any non-vanilla fetish. (Or the fun SJW types who will hate you even if you just like straight sex.) You’ll also get the people who will complain that there’s nothing wrong with having sex with the neighbor’s animals. (Crazy people are in every fandom.)
 
Most furries (myself included) who got into ponies didn’t do it to escape fursecution zomg, they did it because its a good show. They’re just more likely to give it a chance because its relative to their interests.

@Keith Mowz  
I never said that there can’t be sane furries and that there can’t be furries who get into mlp just cause it’s a good, what I was saying was that unfortunately there are far too many individuals in the furry fandom who can not control their immoral or even downright illegal behaviour and not enough individuals who lift a finger and tell them it’s not cool.
 
I do not have a problem with the furry fandom, or even the idea of a furry fandom. If a furry just like anthropomorphic characters that is fine.
 
The reason why the internet hates furries isn’t because of the anthropomorphic characters or you liking them. The internet does not hate furries cause they’re furry, they hate them because you do get furries who attempt murder and will pay for their partner helping by letting their penis to be bitten off, you do get people with std fetishes spreading it around at conventions(a entire room at anthrocon one year wound up with HIV).
 
The internet does not hate furries for their interests and hobbies, the internet hates furries for their behaviour and unwillingness to do anything about it. If furries behaved themselves better as a whole and were more willing to report illegal activities when they do take place then yes people would stop hating furries.
 
If you as a furry do report whenever there is illegal activity or do speak up whenever someone is doing something that harms someone else then you are the sort of person your fandom needs more of. There is nothing wrong with you being a furry or being a brony, all the internet really wants from the furry fandom is for if illegal activities do take place or someone does harm someone else to call the cops, that’s all. If furries as a whole did call the cops whenever someone did do something illegal or whenever someone harmed another person then yes you would see the internet stop hating furries. If a furry committed something like rape, murder or such then report it to the authorities.

@cb5  
I’ve never seen nor heard of anything like that.  
This coming from someone who used to spend a ton of time on encyclopedia dramatica and has no qualms surfing for porn on furaffinity.  
Not saying it didn’t happen but I seriously doubt it’s as common as you’re making it out to be.

@cb5  
Again, what corner and/or drugs are involved that you see this horribly illegal activity being a serious issue specific to the furry fandom? Hell, where do you see it on the internet in general?

I’m not a furry fan exactly, but i was more of an anthromorphic fan, as it was called back in the 90’s before many sites existed for the sole purpose of furries, i was in my teens and i was already fashinated about animals acting like humans, mostly from cartoons.
 
I don’t harbour any hate or adorehood for the furries in general.
 
But as a personal opinion, ponies are supposed to spread the thought of friendship and love and all the lovey dovey things, furries, i have no idea what message they want to give but the freedom of… whatever they stand for in the first place…

@Flammie  
I don’t think furries really have a “message” beyond “hey, combining traits from humans and animals is [awesome/sexy/interesting/easier to draw/etc]”

of course, this kind of thread is started by an anon…

@Keith Mowz
 
Illustrating mytholgoical creatures and fables is one, the furry community seem to have gone too far with that…

@Keith Mowz  
Think of it as like the idiots that post images of themselves smoking pot on facebook and then wonder why the police are banging at their door. Once in a while you get idiots that openly admit to what they did and openly discuss what they did and then the admins call the cops.
 
I don’t visit any dark corner of the internet or such, it’s that whenever someone is flipping out at admins for calling the cops I’m the person sitting in the corner going-  

@cb5  
You and pretty much every single other person involved. :V
 
 
@Flammie  
… what? :V I fail to see how drawing mythological fantasy critters has some sort of message. Is there some sort of innate cult-like indoctrination involved with drawing and posting dragons?

>a furry wanted to kill his parents and as payment for helping him he would allow his boyfriend to bite off his penis  

“As long as you find it perfectly fuckable, I don’t see a problem with fucking it”
 
-Blackie ft. Bob Marley

And this is where we get into the old “labels are stupid” problem.
 
I don’t think this is nearly as much of a problem as people think. People are crazy in general. They like weird and gross things, and spread it around to anyone who so much as passes on the street. They do insane and often illegal stuff. But as soon as they call themselves by a certain label it’s a thing for that whole group.
 
This is a problem that comes up with every group. Every single group that has no real entry criteria besides deciding to be one. Hell, groups with paid memberships and careful screening still run into this. Frankly there’s not much you can do about that. Furries get more because they do tend to be a fringe behaviour thing to start with, but still. What exactly could they do to stop all that? Waggle their fingers more? Revoke memberships? It’s not like this whole furry thing has any central leadership to speak of. Besides, anyone crazy enough to do these things, or cover for those who do, isn’t listening to reason to start with.
 
Paying for murder with dick sacrifices is the kind of insane shit people will do no matter what groups they’re a part of, no matter how many people tell them it’s horrible. The only thing we sane folks can do is understand that it doesn’t reflect on the rest of them. I think you’ll find most furries are just as nice as anyone else, it’s just that those aren’t the people you tend to hear weird stories about.

Since joining the Broines, I’ve shed my label as a “Furry”. I don’t even like the label “Fursuiter.” I’d rather be called an actor.
 
There are plenty of furries that, Surprise, are just like me in the since that we can be major assholes if things go too far. It’s the 1% that you are seeing these days. That 1% is the main reason why I can’t wear a tail on an Air Force Base if I wanted to, because that tail can represent that one percent. Yeah, I would love to suit up for the squadron sometime, but unless the public view on furries change, which it won’t, that won’t be possible.
 
It’s because of that 1% that I try to stay out of a large part of the furry fandom.

I don’t identify myself as a furry anymore because every time I’ve dealt with them over the past 16 years has been met with disappointment and frustration. Every furry site (over a dozen) that I’ve ever joined I have been banned from; I think maybe they just don’t like what I have to say. So I’ve given up entirely on them – I have better things to do with my time than be berated in public for calling them elitist and arrogant.
 
I like pony fandom because you guys don’t do that. But at this point in my life I don’t have time or energy to troll them anymore. It’s pointless and it’s not going to help anything, and will likely make me look like a hypocrite.