The Pizza Thread - With a Side of Toxic-Mario

@Background Pony #34A6
 
I never said people were wrong to be posting as anon. I can totally understand wishing to keep one’s identity safe. Heck that’s the entire point of the anon button~
 
I was just guessing that most people in the thread were posting as anon for the same reasons. And suggesting that the answer to #E180’s question was the same reason they were doing it~

I love the constant “wow this is so blown out of proportion gosh can’t you people just let this go”  
pretty good meme tbh
 
Also “well it’s only 95% traced therefore it’s Fair Use or some shit idk xD”
 
EDIT: https://derpibooru.org/images/1311309/tag_changes  
lol

@HectorSmash  
If there’s one thing I hate more than tracing, it’s a cover-up by the tracer to hide the tracing

@HectorSmash  
Since the comments are closed there, I’ll comment on it here: Please no tag warring. If you see the tags continue to be altered improperly, then please make a report.
 
That is all.
 
Zeb~

is there something moderators can do about all of this “removing tags to cover my mistakes”?

@Background Pony #34A6  
As we cannot actively monitor all tag alterations on all images, we rely on users to report when someone is abusing tagging by constantly altering them. If you feel that is happening, please report it so it can be looked at directly.

i reported the traced proof for tag abuse and the “original” for trace.  
If you care about this please does this too.

@Background Pony #34A6  
i hope this is not inciting people to just harrass him, but i still think this is something that should be brought to the attention, especailly in light of his behaviour on the subject matter.

sorry for the third post, but the original artist of that yoko pic has been found: https://twitter.com/kawata_hisashi

@Background Pony #34A6
 
Did you write to her or him about the trace?

@Background Pony #2D44  
yes, but he is a popular artist and i’m not sure he speaks english, nor if he will see my tweet among all the others he probably receives daily.
 
I hope for the best.

From what I can tell, comparing the two images myself, it’s heavy referencing and not direct tracing. There are inconsistencies between the two; the “overlay” version is just too messy to tell. Besides, why would he bother tracing if all he’s going to get is the essentials of the pose, and not the details, when he’s been proven to just reference poses before?
 
Also, he fessed up on DeviantART that he used the image in question as “heavy inspiration”. Hell, if you look in the description, he calls her “Yoko Rarity” and refers to the image as a crossover. He did the very same thing with a few other anthro drawings, surely with referenced poses that you could find if you put the time in.  

 
His art style in other pieces, particularly involving ponies, is consistent and his own, very clearly not traced. The vast majority of his work is not traced. I think it’s fair to say 99.9% of his future pieces will not be traced. If you want actual proof of him reliably and directly tracing, perhaps you should watch when he literally streams himself working to an audience. Feels like the “nothing to hide” mentality is pretty fair, huh?
 
There goes all your reasons to be upset about him, really. Unless you’re just salty that, at face value, he appears to have traced and want to ruin him by having HN or EQD make posts about him and have him harassed by tons of people. Because muh mob mentality.

@Background Pony #B004  
how about you actually read the prior discussion before posting, thanks

@Background Pony #B004  
>There goes all your reasons to be upset about him, really.
 
Ah….no, actually  
The entire midsection is traced. Its not heavily referenced, it’s not inspired. It’s straight up line-for-line.  
There’s no getting away from that fact.
 
The REST of the pic is NOT traced (we can tell wew), but that absolutely does not make up or it  
“He only traced a portion of it so it’s not tracing”
 
????

@Background Pony #4BAA  
So what you have is him admitting to tracing some of a single image.
 
While technically tracing, yes, it seems a far cry from some of the other “tracers” I’ve seen called out who would trace over the entire image, including background, and only changing the head~
 
That’s not to say that just tracing a little is ok, but it doesn’t seem to warrant the amount of outcry this instance has brought forth.

no, the only not traced part are the leg and probably the background. The rest was just re-sized and moved a bit, but still traced.  
Also, he keeps refusing to mention the original artist, even when said artist has been showed to him multiple time, only saying “he will” in comments and not in the description.
 
This is like the nth time i said this. Please, read the discussion and look all the evidence and shady action we recorded here.
 
He still doesn’t want to actually come here and actually try to argue, he instead prefers to stay away and comment how “silly” this whole ordeal is.

@Zebasiz  
the entire drawing is traced and there’s the little fact that he sells those stuff, refuses to credit the original artist or even just admit it was a trace, calling it “inspired by”, despite proof of it being traced.
 
Oh, and the fact that he bans and cancel people who bring this up, even if asking politely.  
And that he says he has proof, but refuses to show them.
 
The fear is that if he does not understand how wrong it is to do this, he’ll keep on doing it over and over, risking to become the same as drawpony.

Toxic-Mario refuses to show the video of him drawing it because it’s ‘too big’. What a blatant lie.

@Zebasiz  
I would like to remind you that the outcry isn’t our doing. He brought it upon himself by playing stupid and trying to lie.

@Background Pony #34A6  
Have you actually seen him sell the confirmed traced image? When it was first brought up, people were only suspecting that he might start selling it. And now people are saying he has been selling multiple traced images. So where did you get the information of him selling confirmed traced images?
 
And as far as I’ve seen. He’s said multiple times that he took that original image and just adjusted the proportions. So that seems [to me at least] to be admitting to it.

@Zebasiz  
he sorta admits it, but doesn’t put it on descriptions and still bans everyone that points out that it is a trace. And no, he keeps saying it’s not a trace, but just referenced (as in, having the drawing on hand while drawing by yourself).  
The other drawing i had the fear they were traced too, but i still haven’t find proof they were, so i can’t really make accusations.
 
about selling artwork, i got carried away, sorry. He doesn’t sell this one… yet. He said he will, don’t know if he changed idea after this.

To sum it up, he admitted to it but he thinks it’s not a big deal. That’s why some of us are peeved.

@Background Pony #2D44  
exactly. With that attitude he’s probably just gonna do it again and again, risking to become like Drawpony.  
If we can make him understand it’s wrong, it will be better for him as well.
 
Everyone makes mistakes. But mistaking is human, persevering is fiendish.

@Background Pony #34A6  

 
lol

@LightningBolt  
So… i admit my mistake and apologize…  
What’s wrong with that?