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As a person who’s watched all episodes of the original Justice League cartoon, I think Wonder Woman is cooler when she doesn’t fly.
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Honestly flying is so overdone that its more fun to see how someone handles fights without flying. Leave it to Superman and Green Lantern.
Although funny enough I think Supermans abilitiy used to be jumping very high like a frog but for some reason it was changed to just flying.
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Apparently flying means he could get to places faster so he is much more “super”.
I guess it depends on what weapons Wonder Woman has. When she has a sword and a shield, jumping is awesome. When she only has her lasso, flying works just fine. Bruce Timm’s version is still one of the coolest versions of Wonder Woman though.
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Ok time for a really unpopular opinion
The opposition of AI Art and AI text chatbots based on accusations of plagiarism and art theft are illegitimate because they are based on intellectual property, the worst form of private property that shouldn’t exist
It’s even funnier considering how many supposed “socialists” and “communists” oppose AI based on “theft”
Also 99% of the accusations against AI based on theft are based on a fundamental misunderstanding of generative AI and how it works
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How is it illegitimate? Artists create works, with their own skill, IP is irrelevant. Just cuz Hasbro made MLP, doesn’t take away the fact that people are stealing art from these artists who used said skill to create works that are fair use.
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I think even a smart socialist would know that no intellectual property would be far worse for the artist than just having it as a barrier against abuses.
People rightfully hate intellectual property for its abuses, but without it completely? It would be chaos.
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@WaynePonePone
They use copyrighted works and works scraped of the internet to produce their models
@Mikey
The denoising algorithm of AI generative models doesn’t squeeze existing images together, they don’t need text or images on hand to generate any images or texts
And of course it’s worth pointing out that it draws from millions of images to learn from, one image can’t make an AI model, it has to learn from millions of places at once
It can make images they have no references for if they have the components for those references
If an AI model never seen a man riding a horse in its learning data, it can still generate an image of a man riding a horse if it knows both what a man is and what a horse is
Simply put it’s not as simple as “regurgitating” pre existing media, I’m a very pro “creating new stuff” guy, so if what AI creates that genuinely looks new, then it’s fine by me
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it’s also an asanine argument because by their own standard their own art generally speaking is plagiarism.@Mikey
And this fact makes it even more tragic because when you watch and play it enough you notice the fact that the frozen throne was half finished. imagine how much more awesome it would have been if they had the development resources to complete and implement all the stuff they were working on. The frozen throne thing wasn’t the only thing I despise about wow though.
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It’s an interesting thing to consider.
Art is, by and large, iterative. Regardless of how much your style is your own, it is nevertheless based on previous foundations.
Taking specific skill out of the equation for a moment, each peice of art, visual or otherwise, is erstwhile based on previous works. Every artist learns from previous ones, ranging from basic techniques to full style guides, to outright mentoring.
Now, an AI is an automatic process, and it’s “skill” is preprogrammed. It is not an “artist” per se.
But the art it generates follows the same pattern of iteration that normal art does.
Thus, we reach an interesting philosophical impasse.
Art is skill based…but is that the crux of it? An artist using a modern tablet with corrective features has a much easier time painting a masterwork than a 16th century painter using oils on tanned cloth.
A portion of their creation is automated. Automated touch up tools, drag and drop features, automatic color balancing, pre-applied filters, etc.
If pure skill is the delineation for art, then is a modern digital painting less art than a 16th century oil on canvas?
Or is the delineation coming from there having to be a human component? To what extent? Is there a cutoff where there is too little human and too much machine? Is there a point where a tablet becomes so effortless that the creation is no longer art? What happens when machines gain a measure of sentience? Will future AI be able to create something considered “art”?
These are some of the fascinating questions that have arisen in the wake of this AI surge.
It is forcing us to rethink how we look at art. How we look at the very act of creating something.
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people often bring up the addage strong men create good times and good times create weak men in terms of millenials being the weak men but I think that the millenials are the strong men. The perception comes from these strong men often have a lot of weak men making the most noise.
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Millenial face their own unique hell. Boomers where good for their time but they depend on things their children no longer have access to.
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Flutters Hitchy Glimglam
Dogs don’t see us as gods and cats don’t think of themselves as gods. Animals don’t have concept of a god. They see us as a different species of animals who bring food to them and that’s it. If dogs see us as gods, why would they piss all over the place even when we tell them not to? If cats see themselves as gods, why does mine plead for food all the time?
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Cats don’t even do that second part really.
Cognitive testing seems to indicate that cats don’t even really differenate species, basically seeing anything in their home that’s not a prey species as being “cat but different.”
Dogs have been shown to differenate species, which is neat. Dogs are by and large smarter than cats.
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