Takengrin Endmmar: Taken God King of Fear
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Iiiiim glad to see the cringe hasn’t changed 😬🥴
Bravo.
They didn’t even trust AO3, inclusive as it may be. Either that, or they didn’t want to risk the bad rep coming with making “that fanfic archive with all those pedo fics” that AO3 is known as their main fanfic archive.
A side-effect of this was that bronies who were looking for pony fan works wouldn’t have to wade through tons of non-pony to get their pony fix. At least this must have been the motivation behind FiMfiction.
A big problem is always material that can barely be found or filtered out because its creators or uploaders can neither be bothered to write descriptions that could be searched nor add the necessary tags. (We’re on Derpibooru here, I guess most of you know how utterly undertagged many pictures are even here.) Now go find pony on dA without searching for specific artists. Or imagine looking for pony on some manga/anime booru if every other pony pic doesn’t have one single tag that says it’s pony.
pony
, humanized
, or EqG
unless otherwise noted. There is no need to have a classification system that can handle any furry OC out there. It would be excessive if tagging unicorn Twilight
also implied quadruped > mammal > ungulate > odd-toed > equine > pony > unicorn
(unless she was drawn as a classical art unicorn, in which case she’d get the implied tags of quadruped > mammal > ungulate > even-toed > unicorn (classical)
).Why not furry sites? Because let’s face it: Many bronies firmly deny that pony is furry. And so do many furries. There are bronies who don’t want pony to be lumped together with “yiffers and furfags”, and there are furries who want to keep pony out of their fandom because they still find “grown-ass men who like little ponies for girls” sick. It’s a wonder that FurAffinity tolerates pony.
In general, the only genre-wide, franchise-independent fandoms with dumping places for fan works of their own are manga/anime, furry, science-fiction and fantasy. Pony doesn’t fit into either of them.
So AFAIK there’s no general western animation booru (change my mind). Even if there was one, I’m not sure if would accept all the smut that comes from this fandom.
sites for fan music (I mean, which fandoms have fan music archives of their own) and even web radio stations followed.
It actually seems like Derpibooru outclasses some manga/anime boorus in terms of numbers of uploaded images, and all this comes from only one single show that started in late 2010 instead of an entire genre that has been around since even before 1990.
Any fandom that reaches a critical mass will create its own fan site infrastructure, possibly even with its own archives for creative works.
For one, the first thing the bronydom encountered along with the non-brony outside world was backlash. Hatred. Prejudices. Check pony threads at non-pony message boards from the early 2010s or YouTube comments under pony videos from the early years, and you’ll see the haters easily outnumbering the bronies. The farther you go back in the fandom’s history, the more bronies will be closet ones.
Besides, the bronies didn’t fit in anywhere, and they still don’t. Pony isn’t manga/anime. Pony isn’t science-fiction/fantasy (where “fantasy” means Tolkien et al; anthro/animals + fantasy = furry and not fantasy). Bronies don’t want pony to be furry, and neither do furries. I’ll come back to that.
More recent fandoms, i.e. fandoms born in times when the Web 2.0 or even social media were already available (the tipping point must have been around Kim Possible), are as isolated as the old ones. They had the means for self-isolation at hand right away, and with the possibilities given to them by search engines, early social media and existing forums for whichever topics, it was much easier to gather fans and join them all in the same places (“Hey, you’re a fan of $SHOW? We’ve got a fan forum, y’know! Wanna join?”) than in the 90s.
I mean, which fandoms have fan music archives of their own) and even web radio stations followed.
“Are bronies furry?” and “are bronies furries?” are distinct questions. Much of the debate is due to a (deliberate) conflation of the two.
I don’t know if you also feel this way, but I have the gut feeling that those who are most strongly in favour of “bronies are furries” are, on both sides, are those who wish for an annexation to civilize the bronies into respectable furry norms. There are a slim sliver who hope for the opposite such that the fandoms merging brings back the laissez-faire and all spaghetti all the time to the furry fandom.
As one final miscellaneous thought, I wonder if the reason furry boorus don’t mind floods of pokémon art but do despise the ponies is primarily because of the diversity of pokémon species compared to the singular body plan of the ponies.
A side-effect of this was that bronies who were looking for pony fan works wouldn’t have to wade through tons of non-pony to get their pony fix. At least this must have been the motivation behind FiMfiction.Good catch. All horses all the time is a major draw to Fimfiction. There’s no Superwholock slash or thinly-veiled retellings of Pokémon Yellow with an OC as the protagonist to clog the home page.
This is also why I use this site and its knockoffs to enjoy my pony art instead of e621 or the source websites that you mentioned.
The line between undertagging and e621-style species tagging is a discussion best served for another thread but it’s an important point to bring up. Because this is a pony booru, everything can be assumed to bepony
,humanized
, orEqG
unless otherwise noted.
Fist of the North Star
fanart on a booru that doesn’t force its users to tag it Fist of the North Star
by flat-out blocking uploads unless a source franchise is tagged, chances are you can be glad to find half of it because the rest lacks the Fist of the North Star
tag.Why not furry sites? Because let’s face it: Many bronies firmly deny that pony is furry. And so do many furries. There are bronies who don’t want pony to be lumped together with “yiffers and furfags”, and there are furries who want to keep pony out of their fandom because they still find “grown-ass men who like little ponies for girls” sick. It’s a wonder that FurAffinity tolerates pony.The topic of “are bronies furries?” has been endlessly litigated elsewhere. However, here are some meta-thoughts I have:
¤ “Are bronies furry?” and “are bronies furries?” are distinct questions. Much of the debate is due to a (deliberate) conflation of the two.
¤ No one seriously goes and claims “pokémon fans are a type of furry”. Pokéfurs exist, but there is no assumption that you would like furry art simply because you like art of the pokémon.
¤ As you noted, even if the answer to “are bronies a furry fandom?” is yes, the answer to “are bronies a subset of the furry fandom?” is clearly no due to mutual repulsion.
¤ You pretty much nailed the bronies saying “I’m loyal to my pony waifu and have zero interesting in yiffing to a genderfree sparkledog or a musk masc Inceneroar (or anything else bipedal, for that matter)”. I’d add on to the furry’s repulsion to annexing the brony fandom the following thought: “We’ve spent so much effort working to end our reputation as dog-fuckers by booting out the zoophiles. We will not let effort go to waste by letting in a fandom full of [bronies who call themselves] proud horsefuckers.”
¤ I don’t know if you also feel this way, but I have the gut feeling that those who are most strongly in favour of “bronies are furries” are, on both sides, are those who wish for an annexation to civilize the bronies into respectable furry norms. There are a slim sliver who hope for the opposite such that the fandoms merging brings back the laissez-faire and all spaghetti all the time to the furry fandom.
When I wrote my original post, the Fandom™ I had in mind was the Superwholock and the general live-action Fandom™ (with the capital F). I didn’t think too much about other western animation fandoms.From an outsider’s perspective, they (capital-F Fandom™) don’t seem to care for boorus, even though they do make fan art to post to Tumblr, DA, & (mostly these days) Twitter.
They do, however, produce volumes and volumes of fan fiction: formerly on LiveJournal and FF.net, later on Tumblr cross-posted to AO3. My feeling of them is kind of like generalized Anime fans: they’re less so a fan of the specific works as they are a member in a community and fan of the real-life actors and writers behind those works.
As one final miscellaneous thought, I wonder if the reason furry boorus don’t mind floods of pokémon art but do despise the ponies is primarily because of the diversity of pokémon species compared to the singular body plan of the ponies.
Besides, the bronies didn’t fit in anywhere, and they still don’t. Pony isn’t manga/anime. Pony isn’t science-fiction/fantasy (where “fantasy” means Tolkien et al; anthro/animals + fantasy = furry and not fantasy). Bronies don’t want pony to be furry, and neither do furries. I’ll come back to that.Funny thing is I’ve seen different people explaining us to the outside world use completely different terminology. Naturally some variation is to be expected by having one essay state:“FiM is essentially a shoen anime” and another link us to furries and some say we are the ultimate meme and what have you all without mentioning any of these other supposed links or factors really hit that point home for me. I think there is a lot of truth to all those links some make but not in totality.
Yeah, some fandom stuff was organized by furries who jumped on board hard and help organized it.
More recent fandoms, i.e. fandoms born in times when the Web 2.0 or even social media were already available (the tipping point must have been around Kim Possible), are as isolated as the old ones. They had the means for self-isolation at hand right away, and with the possibilities given to them by search engines, early social media and existing forums for whichever topics, it was much easier to gather fans and join them all in the same places (“Hey, you’re a fan of $SHOW? We’ve got a fan forum, y’know! Wanna join?”) than in the 90s.I actually have had the opposite perception. Newer fandoms I have always considered to be a little more closer together. Social media feeds allows a lot of different fandoms to interact and be in loose groups. Though I admit that I don’t have a lot of experience with other fandoms but I do have some experience with outsider critique and observations and I’ve seen stuff said of us like: “You know? I have seen Ponytubers hope off and drift away into Steven Universe and like story driven animated shows but I have never seen anyone from there pick up FiM.” Or “You guys really do have your own culture, Most new fandoms I’ve in have a less stronger identity do to social media.” I would still agree with larger fandoms forming there own culture and you certainly can find devotees to just one fandom on social media.
I don’t know if you also feel this way, but I have the gut feeling that those who are most strongly in favour of “bronies are furries” are, on both sides, are those who wish for an annexation to civilize the bronies into respectable furry norms. There are a slim sliver who hope for the opposite such that the fandoms merging brings back the laissez-faire and all spaghetti all the time to the furry fandom.I have seen sentiments hinting at annexation and I do share that feeling, though, never seen it to the level that some allege of an active plot being hatched in super secret furry Discord servers far and wide.
Maybe some very recent fandoms are somewhat less independent because they didn’t create a complete online infrastructure all for themselves. Maybe they didn’t grow big enough quickly enough, or maybe there simply wasn’t anyone who could be bothered to launch a first stand-alone message board, and so the whole fandom just lumped together on Discord because that was what everyone™ already used anyway.
Until way into the 90s, the CDRR fandom had to piggyback on the greater Disney Afternoon fandom along with the fandoms of DuckTales, the Gummi Bears and later shows such as TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck etc. So there was one newsgroup, alt.fan.disney.afternoon, and one fanzine, Where The Fun Begins, for all these shows combined. Before the days of WWW, Web 2.0 and social media, fan groups were much harder to find, thus harder to join and therefore smaller. CDRR got its first very own fansite in 1995, and the fandom didn’t become fully independent until 1998 when it launched its first own forum.
Besides, at least early on, the MLP collectors wondered why we’d start our own fandom as there was already one. Some took the bronies for collectors specialising on G4 because they’ve never heard of the show and only ever seen the toys. Not only did they want the bronies to join the existing MLP fandom = the collectors’ scene, but they also expected us to do as they’ve done ever since at least the 90s, including liking or even preferring the older generations.
Especially since this is not only a single-fandom but even a single-franchise booru. If you look forFist of the North Star
fanart on a booru that doesn’t force its users to tag itFist of the North Star
by flat-out blocking uploads unless a source franchise is tagged, chances are you can be glad to find half of it because the rest lacks theFist of the North Star
tag.
Vaporeon
and then Rainbow Dash
. Searching for MLP: FiM
or Pokémon
or OC Furry
or some other franchise as a whole never crossed my mind. In the Star Trek fandom, the sci-fi geeks still seem to be slightly in a majority and mostly discussing continuity porn and how things could be technically possible in real life. But the many changes in canon and retcons drive them increasingly away. Most fanfic, however, is written by girls who think “guy on guy is hot” and who only want to see Kirk and Spock fuck like rabbits, regardless of whether they stay in character or not, just to jill off on their own fics.
Until way into the 90s, the CDRR fandom had to piggyback on the greater Disney Afternoon fandom along with the fandoms of DuckTales, the Gummi Bears and later shows such as TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck etc. So there was one newsgroup, alt.fan.disney.afternoon, and one fanzine, Where The Fun Begins, for all these shows combined. Before the days of WWW, Web 2.0 and social media, fan groups were much harder to find, thus harder to join and therefore smaller. CDRR got its first very own fansite in 1995, and the fandom didn’t become fully independent until 1998 when it launched its first own forum.
The annexation attempt, if I would call it that, I would characterize a bit differently than a furry one in my experience do to it attempting to characterize us a harmful rival or invasion as opposed to playing a game of definitions with “Bronies our already furries, now, alter your behaviour!”
exposed
before long the same thing that happened to “Tumblr” is gonna happen to “Twitter”
Now I wonder if anyone has done a long write-up on fanfic in male-dominated vs. female-dominated fandoms. My gut feeling says that male-dominated fandoms have less erotica (as a percentage, of course) than female fandoms by a large margin. IIRC, even for a fandom like ours (where you’d assume femslash clop would reign supreme), gen still wins by a country mile.
Thank you for your essayposts.
If you thought Twitter couldn’t get worse…guess who joined
Until way into the 90s, the CDRR fandom had to piggyback on the greater Disney Afternoon fandom along with the fandoms of DuckTales, the Gummi Bears and later shows such as TaleSpin, Darkwing Duck etc. So there was one newsgroup, alt.fan.disney.afternoon, and one fanzine, Where The Fun Begins, for all these shows combined. Before the days of WWW, Web 2.0 and social media, fan groups were much harder to find, thus harder to join and therefore smaller. CDRR got its first very own fansite in 1995, and the fandom didn’t become fully independent until 1998 when it launched its first own forum.Thank you once again for this context. It suddenly makes sense why “everything Anime” and “everything Disney” are such strong fandoms. There wasn’t the infrastructure or numbers to support specialization, so they grew. I wonder if, for example, there is some schism between the Disney fandom and a separate Lion King fandom that formed later (rather than as a natural splintering of the original fandom).
Now I wonder if anyone has done a long write-up on fanfic in male-dominated vs. female-dominated fandoms. My gut feeling says that male-dominated fandoms have less erotica (as a percentage, of course) than female fandoms by a large margin. IIRC, even for a fandom like ours (where you’d assume femslash clop would reign supreme), gen still wins by a country mile.I’ve noticed that women tend to focus on character relationships while men tend to focus on worldbuilding and lore. A lot of women are militant shippers who write stories about two (or more!) characters in a (sexual) relationship. In contrast, a lot of men write more “high-concept” stories with extensive worldbuilding and lore (eg. Fallout: Equestria, Austraeoh, etc.)
@Twiface
I do not understand the appeal of militant shipping. The pony fandom is no stranger to shipping, OTPs, and waifus. However, the ship wars here are either:
- In jest, perhaps even being a direct mockery of the militant ship wars of other fandoms
- One dude who takes the honor of his waifu way too seriously and then ends up spilling pasta all over the forums and becomes the subject of this very thread for a day
There’s plenty of toxicity to be found here, but it’s very rarely caused by many someones simultaneously going to clinically unstable lengths to seek victory in a shipping war.
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