Meanlucario 
Time to get spooky
@Mikey
Maybe at the time due to lack of better options it was considered good.
Maybe at the time due to lack of better options it was considered good.
Video Game General 2: Definitive/Remastered Edition
saby 
Moderator
Anti Fun Officer
@Meanlucario
Nah, it was actually great in the thing it did. Dark Descent spends So Much Time building the mood up. And the water thing? A distillation of some very potent primal terror, it’s like a nightmare you recognise every time you have it, but barely remember it otherwise.
Nah, it was actually great in the thing it did. Dark Descent spends So Much Time building the mood up. And the water thing? A distillation of some very potent primal terror, it’s like a nightmare you recognise every time you have it, but barely remember it otherwise.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
@saby
Until you kill it by throwing a piece of wood at its head. Real spooky.
Until you kill it by throwing a piece of wood at its head. Real spooky.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
I’ll be blunt: Among the Sleep did a much better job than The Dark Descent did.
Mikey 
Moderator
Pone of Astronomy
@Meanlucario
I’m not saying it’s a masterpiece or revolutionary, but it’s still great.
I’m not saying it’s a masterpiece or revolutionary, but it’s still great.
@saby
The lack of jumpscares and no survival elements make it standout in my eyes. The horror genre is honesty still saturated with a lot of garbage.
The lack of jumpscares and no survival elements make it standout in my eyes. The horror genre is honesty still saturated with a lot of garbage.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
@Mikey
I mean, the insanity and oil are survival mechanics, and I remember there being plenty of ooze and rock base jumpscares.
I mean, the insanity and oil are survival mechanics, and I remember there being plenty of ooze and rock base jumpscares.
saby
Moderator
Anti Fun Officer
@Meanlucario
Thanks for the tip. Wanna know how you can turn your fire starter into Spyro in Pokémon Red/Blue?
Thanks for the tip. Wanna know how you can turn your fire starter into Spyro in Pokémon Red/Blue?
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
It is the only monster/creature in the game that can be “killed”, specifically by smashing a large barrel or crate on top of it. This will stop the Kaernk activity, and leave its yellowish blood in the water. This fact alone makes it the least dangerous monster in Amnesia series.
RogueBadnik 
⌜Ω⌟
Okay, Tale of Two Wastelands is pretty hard knowing that New Vegas content is included in the Capital Wasteland, so yeah, expect Talon/Regulator mercs using Combat Armor reforced Mk II
Mikey
Moderator
Pone of Astronomy
@Meanlucario
Well I meant like, limited ammo, minor means of defense, which games like Amnesia lack.
The game has very minor jumpscares.
Well I meant like, limited ammo, minor means of defense, which games like Amnesia lack.
The game has very minor jumpscares.
tehwatever
@Mikey
Xactly. Imo they just got lucky. Hit the perfect storm: Kinda coincided with the rise of youtube gaming channels.
Xactly. Imo they just got lucky. Hit the perfect storm: Kinda coincided with the rise of youtube gaming channels.
Who’s the audience and what do they expect from them, is what I’m more interested in.
Amnesia Dev knows full well its legacy, and I’m just wondering if it actually has real hardcore fans that it’s catering to, or are just fans of certain content creators who would like their favorite creators play the game.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
@Mikey
That’s combat, not survival. Survival is preventing death outside of combat, like preventing your insanity meter from filling up in A:TDD.
That’s combat, not survival. Survival is preventing death outside of combat, like preventing your insanity meter from filling up in A:TDD.
tehwatever
A LOT of the horror indie around the Horror Let’s Play era are half the time, frankly, LP Bait, and they follow the Amnesia formula.
There was a time when a lot of them was PT-clones.
Luckily for Horror LPers, FNAF showed up and from it more LP Baits are popping up.
…
Ngl? I miss em. I don’t like the games, but I liked watching LPs of games I know are trash and will never play.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
@Mikey
The combat-base horror being called survival horror doesn’t help.
The combat-base horror being called survival horror doesn’t help.
Mikey
Moderator
Pone of Astronomy
@Meanlucario
True.
True.
@tehwatever
I think FNAF honestly worsened the genre.
I think FNAF honestly worsened the genre.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
@Mikey
I disagree. It went further with what A:TDD was trying to do. Outside of 3, the jumpscares are your game-over screens.
I disagree. It went further with what A:TDD was trying to do. Outside of 3, the jumpscares are your game-over screens.
Atlas_66 
🍞
Yu like them horror atmospheric puzzle platformers?
Any other games yu recommend in the genre?
Dustcan 
Dogs
FNaF is good for just how it can innovate on a simple concept over and over. The series wasn’t content with just releasing a “new” game with just a touch up on graphics to show for it, every one feels different while still keeping the core concept alive.
But yes, it really has hurt the horror genre overall without meaning to. One the one hand, it helped kick off a renaissance of indie games, but on the indie horror front it means a flow of Follow The Leader games if not outright copycats.
It’s not as bad as it was a couple years ago, but you still see a lot of indie horror games are “children’s horror” where child mascots are made into monsters out to jumpscare you.
Icicle Niceicle 1517 
Ocs,Boops,Tickles&Memes
@Dustcan
Is “children’s horror” really that bad of a sub-genre?
Is “children’s horror” really that bad of a sub-genre?
Also I’ve seen variois definitions on what “kids horror” is supposed to mean. Is it just like horror games aimed at kids, or is it for games with the premises of “cute cartoony mascot wants to murder you”?
Lord WyrmSpawN 
Lingering Wyvern
@icicle wicicle 1517
The latter, they call it Mascot Horror, I believe.
The latter, they call it Mascot Horror, I believe.
Meanlucario
Time to get spooky
@Dustcan
I find it unfair to blame the original for the copycats. Though it doesn’t help that, as far as I’m aware, Scott doesn’t stop people from using FNAF as inspiration for their works unless it’s practically a copy.
I find it unfair to blame the original for the copycats. Though it doesn’t help that, as far as I’m aware, Scott doesn’t stop people from using FNAF as inspiration for their works unless it’s practically a copy.
Dustcan
Dogs
What Wyrmspawn said.
Nah FNaF isn’t to blame for copycats.
It did inspire a deluge of them, but that’s kinda out of its control and is just what happens with something blows up like FNaF did.
It’s basically like Joss Whedon and the MCU. His films are good, but they caused some pretty big harm going forward as now everything after tries to be them.
tehwatever
@Mikey
I still have to give FNaF its credit for having spawned NEW YT channels–the Theory / Lore / Horror game ARG Mystery Deep Dive channels.
Again. FNaF got the perfect storm. This time it’s even MORE aware of the community’s and particularly popular Theory personalities involvement in its success, and thus it, even more so than Amnesia, is making games specifically FOR said audience.
I still have to give FNaF its credit for having spawned NEW YT channels–the Theory / Lore / Horror game ARG Mystery Deep Dive channels.
Again. FNaF got the perfect storm. This time it’s even MORE aware of the community’s and particularly popular Theory personalities involvement in its success, and thus it, even more so than Amnesia, is making games specifically FOR said audience.
All of the subsequent FNaF titles have been Theory Baits and unashamedly so. Which means–and this is weird–most of my enjoyment from the FNaF franchise has actually NOT been from the games per se, but from watching and interacting with the FNaF theory community–which then introduced me to ARG in general, which now I’m a fan of.
@Dustcan
As what it does to the horror genre, eh…horror has always been shifting considering the audience has changed a lot. Take Callisto Protocol. It’s so firmly sticking to what it did before (Dead Space) in terms of scares, sound, timing, atmosphere, visuals…and was it scary? Well. Not really? Is it a horror game? Yes. Did it make the genre better? I don’t think so.
As what it does to the horror genre, eh…horror has always been shifting considering the audience has changed a lot. Take Callisto Protocol. It’s so firmly sticking to what it did before (Dead Space) in terms of scares, sound, timing, atmosphere, visuals…and was it scary? Well. Not really? Is it a horror game? Yes. Did it make the genre better? I don’t think so.
Callisto Protocol is stuck in the Dead Space era. It kinda doesn’t have a place in the post-FnaF audience.
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