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@Datte-Before-Dawn  
Then that could of been the argument for why you don’t need to ban it. It’s only a problem because the media brought it up. It will be a problem when the generations change. So it’s not a problem now, but this will let dangerous precedent for the site.
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@Background Pony #23FA  
The media has no right to dictate what can be said or not. It’s only because cowardly people actually care what some upstuck journalist says that it should be law.  
There’s hardly anything dangerous of freedom of speech, and if you think it is dangerous, please, reconsider your reasoning.
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@DerpyFast  
@Datte-Before-Dawn  
We maybe up against broader societal forces. I mean, hopefully, things will settle down without issue but for as much as this is an internal battle it is an external one if this continues. As I said, I think @doloresbridge  
seth has possibly done a lot of damage here. How would we defend against that type of attack in this day and age? Just a food for thought question. As Dattle said the in the anti-DNP pledge the mob can be relentless and if we look at the media is more then that. If, Derpi, or if say, FiMfiction or other places are thrown to the wolves how do we defend ourselves from that?
 
 
@ManualReplica  
This is the most ridiculous to me. The lack of clarity. The mixed citation of reasoning. I don’t want to group all of them as a one (because you never fully know if something if this is being driven by just some of them or if their is something else going on) but it just reeks of a lack of leadership on a horrible level. Their needs to be transparency on how these policies are adopted and records of the debates. If Derpi survives this I think this kind of reform would be necessary.
koznyshev

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Worse, every single answer I’ve seen from the mods on this has either been too vague to be useful, or contradictory in other ways.
 
People had to wait until Aryanne was actually posted some before we could get a clear on “Yes, Aryanne with the swastika on her butt is banned”
 
Was that so hard to say, mods? Instead there was this whole discussion about what ‘trivializing nazism’ really means and about five or six edits to the rules, including moving it to rule 0, then back to rule 5, and then to both.
 
If anything there seems to be a clear lack of cohesion among the mods. Seems some don’t like the change - but their admins ended up putting the foot down. Might just be conjecture from the grapevine, though the mods themselves clearly haven’t said anything to prove otherwise.
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I’m just curious when will communist imagery be banned. If the stance is to ban all “hateful” things, hammer and sickle should get the boot no less than the swastika did.
Then again, I see some of Dilarus’ images in the vein of “kill all cops” and stuff are not here, so perhaps something is being done?
I mean, the tl;dr of the kind of arguments I’ve seen from staff goes along these lines:
  1. We haven’t had problems with communist posts/communist posts aren’t popular enough. This isn’t about morals or if one is worse than the other, but nazism is bad and hateful btw unlike communism which is not hateful.”
  2. “The communist posts don’t promote communism (somehow), they are not the same/held to the same standard as nazi posts. Communist symbolism isn’t as dangerous as nazi symbolism.”
  3. “Bringing up communism is whatsaboutism, we are discussing nazi now, communism is unrelated.”
  4. “Don’t worry about it kid, if you see something that breaks our loosely defined, contradictory and unclear rules regarding this subject just report it :^)”
  5. [Abject silence in the hopes that people are going to tire themselves out and spontaneously go away]
 
FTFY a bit. Don’t want to go find and link the #5 because it’s in the sheer osmium of “Derpy”‘s posting.
 
Also, BP, remember that people are being shadowbanned from BLM/ACAB images, so if you can’t see it it does not mean the picture is actually gone from the site.  
@koznyshev  
People had to wait until Aryanne was actually posted some before we could get a clear on “Yes, Aryanne with the swastika on her butt is banned”
though the mods themselves clearly haven’t said anything to prove otherwise.
 
Mikey and someone I don’t know on Discord have rejected agreeing with this stance, and allegedly at least a third of the staff have argued against this decision on their dedicated forums.
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@doloresbridge  
Restored completely? Years of not bringing personal or political stance into the rules again.  
Partially? Reversal of the rules, both written (nazi) and implied (BLM), to pre-changes stance (i.e. the state they had over a month ago), restoration of all images deleted to reverted rules that do not violate any other rule, and the staff members pushing this change retiring from staff (as otherwise there is no guarantee whatsoever that they won’t just try to pull this again in a month or so, and hence no trust; and additionally I think that by doing this - declaring the site’s allegiance to one ideology and silently banning negative portrayals of it, followed by just as silently banning an arbitrary, single “opposite” ideology’s non-negative portrayals - they have proven themselves no longer fit to administrate).
 
P.S. Note that I do not actually care which ideologies are there. If the staff went “the site supports fighting against animal abuse”, banned portrayal of hurt animals, and then quietly banned depictions of (extremist/read as-is without considerable amount of creative reinterpretation) Islam by name, I would still be against it. If the ideologies were reversed - i.e. promoting nazism and banning BLM - I would still be against it. Do not put your political stance into how the site operates.
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@Barhandar  
While I can get behind restoring the rules to the previous version, I can’t get behind the idea of any kind of forced “purge” of the staff. Forcing out people because they hold or represent a political view you dislike is no different than trying to force out art because it holds or represents a political view you dislike.
 
And really, after all this acrimony, isn’t it better to try to patch things up with people and work going forward than to try to claim scalps?
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First they came for the Nazis, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Nazi.
Then they came for the edgelords, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t an edgelord.
Then they came for the conservatives, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a conservative.
Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up for me.
This is my stance.
 
My preferred version:
 
First they came for the Nazis, and I celebrated, because fuck Nazis. They’re the reason this poem exists.
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@Barhandar  
For me. I think the greatest issue is the lack of clearity and not speaking with one voice. I mean, even silence on the mods part with a brief statement on them temporarily halting Nazi images would’ve made less distrust than jumping around and around like they have. We honestly need a more transperent system where this rule debates happen in public.
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@Zerowinger  
It is not about them holding a certain political view. It is about them trying to force it, on everyone, while trampling the opposition - and hence being unable to guarantee that they won’t keep trying to do it (they have already ignored objections twice over) if the changes are reversed.  
And really, after all this acrimony, isn’t it better to try to patch things up with people and work going forward than to try to claim scalps?
You can’t patch things up with someone who doesn’t value your opinion in the slightest. For a discussion, and hence amendments, to take place they need to actually consider others’ viewpoints, which they have proven they are unwilling to do, and in my opinion will stay unwilling while they’re in a position of power.
 
That’s also another reason why censorship is bad, as I have said before: it announces that whoever is censoring something is completely and utterly unwilling to have a discussion on said something, or when it’s an ideology, with someone who shares it.
 
 
@doloresbridge  
Because they don’t actually agree on doing this in the first place. Again, a very large portion of staff are against this decision, and going by the way some pics allegedly flip-flopped, also don’t want to enforce it.
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And really, after all this acrimony, isn’t it better to try to patch things up with people and work going forward than to try to claim scalps?
 
For me, I think some of them did stuff that was unjustifiable, like the deletion of certain forum posts with legit criticism, which only made a worse storm. No purge, but probation and reform. It’s always good to have an olive branch or two hanging as you never know what a little goodwill can do.
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@doloresbridge  
Yeah, this. Note that I don’t mean “permanently not allowed to be on staff anymore”, I mean “you need a forced vacation to reconsider your views and rest”. And hopefully get a good shrink, because by their own admission staffing Derpi takes a very considerable toll on the psyche and it needs to be resolved in a healthy way - and I think said toll is what caused taking a political stance and deeming forcing it to be acceptable in the first place.
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I personally don’t want or need scalps. I’m not looking for revenge, I literally just wanna grill for godsake.
 
Leave me alone to draw what I’d like within legal bounds.
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@Datte-Before-Dawn  
I’m pretty sure they aren’t preventing you from drawing whatever the hell you like. They’ve just decided that they’re not going to host certain things is all. You’re free to upload said drawings elsewhere.
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@Barhandar
 
@doloresbridge  
Still, I don’t believe in people needing to be “reprimanded” or whatever, repairing bridges are always preferable to burning them. Derpy Hooves has made clear in their communication with us that there is a lot of debate going on behind the scenes and probably a lot of other issues/external pressure that we the user base are not privy to. I think people deserve the benefit of the doubt.
 
@Datte-Before-Dawn  
This is my stance as well.
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@Barhandar  
I do wonder how much slack could be given to the mods if there was more than meets the eye, like, say, what if patreon threatened their funding or if an activist group actually contacted them that holds sway. Would any of their actions be more legitimate?
 
 
@Background Pony #89B9  
Frankly, tbh, I don’t care too much for the over the top edgy stuff, but my concern is that I’ve seen so many sites start out with something small and then adopt a complete dogma.
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@Zerowinger  
I wasn’t saying reprimand but just that the general mods would be on probation till reform.
 
Derpy Hooves has made clear in their communication with us that there is a lot of debate going on behind the scenes and probably a lot of other issues/external pressure that we the user base are not privy to.
 
This is why I bring up background issues/more than meets the eye.
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