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@Background Pony #89B9
 
Bruh if you reread it I was meaning ‘rights from a moral standpoint’. As in regardless of what the law specifically constitutes, because basing your morals on laws as is is terribad. Doesn’t matter if the perpetrator is a company or the government.
 
Anyway, from any reasonable person’s perspective, the site isn’t ‘hosting views’, it’s providing a free place to host pony pics.
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@Background Pony #89B9  
This depends entirely on the community of people participating in your book club. If most people have the expectation that the rules are lax, and furthermore people have been bringing Hitler praise since its inception (see: the years and years of Aryanne pics), and then one day your junkie buddy that nobody in the club knows comes up to you and is like “hey man fuck Hitler you should stop hosting this”, and then you change your rules, and then a huge chunk of the community is mad - then yes, they have the moral right, because you should listen to your club members over some junkie that has never participated in the club even slightly.
 
Of course, you absolutely have the right to ban Hitler praise from this point on. But equally everyone else has the right to complain about it, yell at you, even insult you and call you names (sure that’s wrong as well, but you know, it’s legal, so they have the right to do it), and of course boycott your club. And if they really liked your club before this, but there are no other groups quite like it around right now, then they also have every right to be resentful towards you for this change and harbour quite vicious ill-will. None of that is illegal either.
 
This is why questions of law are irrelevant here. No, Derpibooru isn’t doing anything illegal. Neither is anyone complaining. The crux of your argument seems to be “they can do what they did, it’s legal”, but the thing is, this is completely and utterly uncontroversial - so your posts bring no substance whatsoever to this discussion. Yes, they can legally do it, and we can legally be unhappy about it and tell them so, and currently that’s what both sides are doing; how astute of you to observe that the entire situation is legal and nobody has broken the law here. I’d almost think this was another baiting attempt to derail the discussion, but I don’t want to cry “sockpuppet!” at every questionable post especially when trust is already low, so I don’t know.
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So I’ve spent a few days thinking about this (prompted partly by someone deciding I’m a racist for… agreeing with the premise that Nazis Are Bad, but in the wrong way or something).
 
I sad a few pages back that I understand the reasoning (or what I assume is the reasoning) behind the change.
 
But I also said I don’t agree with the change.
 
Lets establish a few things first. Despite what certain users here, prone to overuse of tildes and smarmy emoticons, may believe, I am not a racist, nor a nazi, nor anything else. A lot of my more visible actions when I was a mod involved telling people to shut up and filter content they didn’t like. Those people fell into two broad, barely-intersecting groups: the ones complaining about racism and “political” content, and the ones complaining about LGB and “political” content. I spent a lot of time dealing with and banning people for their refusal to accept that these things could exist and be hidden behind filters, and a lot of time deleting their comments.
 
To each group I was a thing: to one, a nazi, because I didn’t immediately conform to their demands to remove everything they deemed racist and evil and whatever else. To the other, a commie SJW cuck, because I didn’t immediately remove everything they deemed degenerate, evil and whatever else.
 
What we’re dealing with right here and now is a site that, besides its safe for work content, hosts art of nearly every fetish you can imagine, and it has decided, for whatever reason, that one particular fetish that is otherwise entirely, unquestionably legal, is no longer allowed. That rankles me.
 
And yes, I am calling Aryanne a fetish object. Nazi aesthetic fetishism has a long and storied history all the way back to early 50s biker culture (which developed into leather fetishism in general, and is a huge chunk of gay culture now, right down to a lot of the iconography). Even to a little before, when some camp survivors began trying to process their trauma by fetishising and sexualising it.
 
For the record, nazi shit is not my fetish. Not even slightly. Not in a hundred years. There is content on this site that I have defended vigorously, over the years, that makes me die inside a little every time I have to look at it. I’ll even own that, absent all other considerations, I’d delete a lot of it; I even advocated that a few times in the past, until I realised what a hypocrite I was being. I mean, lets face it, I still was and still am for a whole host of reasons, but I have always tried, to the best of my ability, to support the path of greater freedom over lesser.
 
So that’s where I stand, really. I understand what I believe are the reasons for doing this. I disagree with the decision. My friends on the mod team are still some of the best people I know and this site is still arguably the best site for discovering new fandom artists and new fucked up ways to enjoy yourself.
Background Pony #28E6
@Background Pony #FAC7  
Was that Barhandar? It was a BGP, so unless Barhandar has been blatantly breaking the “no named and anonymous posting in the same thread” rule, I think you’re mistaken. And given that the mods have talked about permabanning offenders, and Barhandar hasn’t even been temp banned given how active they have been in the discussion at all times, I’m pretty sure you’re mistaken.
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@Background Pony #FAC7  
The sentiment has merits but if an individual or clique has caused this much headache and anxiety for the community out of a personal grudge, then either a resignation or time off to reevaluate decisions is warranted. If leadership reverses the changes because of community backlash but doesn’t have a real change in heart, then there’s no guarantee that censorship won’t be reintroduced later after people have forgotten or in a more subtle way. Like it’s been mentioned there’s been a breach of community trust and coming clean+reversing changes is only a start to regaining it.
Background Pony #28E6
@Background Pony #FAC7  
I think that there’s a difference between “you can’t participate in this community, leave forever!” and “you’re not fit to be in a position of power and carry the associated responsibility, step down”. And since people might bring up CEOs that got “cancelled”, the difference with those is that they got cancelled over unrelated matters (e.g. Mozilla CEO being forced to resign due to donating to an anti-gay-rights group), whereas the calls for resignation here are due to admins failing on their actual duties - the moderation of the site is intrinsically linked to their opinions and enforcement of such.
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@Archonix  
This has been my take since its existence.  
I unironically miss the era where we just had tumblr complaining about derpy being ableist and DWM. Would trade old tumblr back if it meant removing twitter from existence.
 
This is also the tthoughts of a lot of people here defending this: Some of them is the old 4chan guard who realize that the old internet is slowly dying to both social justice and corporate media/countries taking it over and regulating (read: controlling) it. As toxic as 4chan is, it is one of the last place where you can be truly anonymous, and I don’t expect it to last more than a few more years IMO. Same for this place.  
Whatever the admin decide here, I’ll enjoy both as long as it last.
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There really is no question here of what should be done. Are Aryanne pictures overwhelmingly downvoted and the community hates it? Well, no, exactly 777 Aryanne pictures (lucky number) are over the score of 100. 1431 are over the score of 50. 62 are over 500. In this case it absolutely shouldn’t matter what you personally think as staff, you should serve your community if you want to bolster it and keep it stable/growing. If you don’t do that you become a dictator and should not be surprised people want to leave your site.
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@Background Pony #28E6  
This. I couldn’t care less what the staff do and promote off-“duty”, but bringing off-duty things into administration is a no go.
 
For Mozilla CEO example, I would take an issue if Firefox was updated to have a redirect, toolbar, links, etc built-in to said anti-gay-rights group. I would also take an issue if it was updated with connections to pro-gay-rights group. Or not-concerned-with-gay-rights group. Or if the CEO used the official company newsfeed to promote any of them. None of them have any business being forced on people, and the CEO has full right to do whatever he wants as long as he is using his own resources and his own places to do it instead of subverting the company’s.
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@Derwol  
Some people are definitively for the change though, has the other thread showed. They should also be considered.  
While I def wouldn’t want censorship, I could understand applying an “extreme” tag to separate them, or something like that.
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@Background Pony #FAC7
 
I don’t see what adding an extreme tag would accomplish, seeing as the tags “nazi” and “oc:aryanne” already exist for the people who don’t want to see them. It would be harmless to create a new tag like that, though, yes.
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@Background Pony #FAC7  
As I’ve said previously, they’re making a mistake and something they enjoy will eventually be targeted by the censors. But as Neil Gaiman said: by then it will be too late.
 
As for people who will reject their own enjoyment over rejecting the group hating them for it? That’s called (one aspect of) radicalization and if you find yourself doing it, please reach out to people OUTSIDE of said group for support. You are still a person and you do not have to be defined by the views of said group.
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@WyrmSpawN  
Yeah. That was more misdirection-motivated though, what with DWM’s leader being found to draw hardcore rape/gore porn themselves. I.e. “if I point the mob at someone else they won’t come after me for really doing the thing I am falsely accusing the others of doing”.
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It feels kind of like DWM all over again.
Remember that?
 
think that was more the fact that some sperg asked nicole oliver what she thought about molestia at bronycon so hasbro took notice of it all. a C&D is maybe also considered censorship but when the people owning the actual characters tell you to stop, you got to stop
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