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SC Orion
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Hello my fellow users and friends. I have debated posting here, but put it off. I have finally formulated my thoughts enough to pose some important, coherent thoughts I have considered over the past few days.
 
First, I will preface these questions by saying that I am not attacking anyone. This comment is also directed at my fellow users as a means to inspire civilized discussion and reasonable debate. No matter how it may look or come across, none of these questions are posed directly to moderators or administrators. Next, I would like to open with stating my stance: I support freedom and liberty for all people, regardless of race, ethnicity, sex, sexual orientation, religion, or nationality. I do not support authoritarianism or censorship of any kind.
 
My first question to my fellow users is thus: Censorship has historically been used by Nazis, Communists (or Dictators who have hijacked communist revolutions, if you prefer), authoritarians, and general hateful ideologies as a tool to silence dissent which makes them look bad or with which they disagree. Based on this, does this mean that any group using censorship inherently supports hateful ideologies such as Nazism, Communism, or general authoritarianism? What, if anything, should be done to groups that support hateful ideologies? The current US socio-political environment suggests that such groups should be boycotted. I, however, being a Libertarian, supporting freedom and liberty, am not advocating for this, as I will not impose my will on you, my fellow users.
 
My second question is thus: Aryanne, regardless of portrayal, would offend likely Nazis, who would thusly (Or at the very least, very likely) want to kill all of us for ruining their pure, superior self-image. Thus, Aryanne inherently mocks Nazism, does it not? Based on this, can it reasonably be inferred that banning Aryanne is an action that a Nazi regime would take and approve of? If this is indeed an action that a Nazi regime would take, can it reasonably be inferred that the act of censoring Aryanne is an act which supports hateful ideologies, as Aryanne actively mocks one such ideology?
 
My third question is thus: In order to stand on principle, one must support speech which they themselves find grotesque and or objectionable. Based on this, does it stand to reason that one who supports free speech must support the free speech of others, even when this speech is hateful or promoting hateful ideologies? If you do not support their right to speak freely, does this then give others the right to use this reason to say that you, yourself, cannot speak freely on matters important to you? What if this is then weaponized into a tool to oppress a minotiry?
 
My fourth question follows: Art is subjective. Consider historical photos which are downright shocking. Consider the important historical picture in Vietnam where the photo captures the bullet striking the person’s skull, the pistol still recoiling. This picture is shocking. Based on the shock and harm it conveys, should it be banned? Likewise, does it stand to reason based on this that anything which can be reasonably interpreted as shocking by any individual, for any reason, should be banned?
 
My fifth question is as follows: Consider the following comic I have imagined: A bunch of Americanized ponies capturing Aryanne against her will and tying her to a rocket (It’s the 4 of July Celebration). She is screaming “No!” and “Please! I’m sorry! They made me into an ideal that I’m not!” But the Americanized ponies don’t listen. They then light the rocket, which launches into the sky with her still screaming. The Americanized ponies salute, having successfully defeated nazism. Then the firework detonates, and low and behold, it’s the Nazi flag, filling the sky for all to see. Thus, the American ponies foolishly amplified her message when they tried to silence her. Following this, perhaps a panel where Nazi-dressed ponies are laughing happily-since their ideology has become more prominent from being censored. Would an image such as this, which is clearly parody, be considered supporting a hateful ideology such as Nazism? What about a hateful ideology such as colonialism, where one group forces its views on another, such as the case with the Americanized ponies reasonably implied killing of a Nazi pony? Of course, the same argument can be applied that Nazis forces their views on others historically, but in the context of Derpibooru, no one is forced to stop filtering Nazi imagery.
 
My sixth question follows: Another thought that occurs to me. The current rule change mentions “hateful ideologies.” I find myself wondering if this includes socialism. The system of socialism is clearly a hateful one, as it strips resources from those who have it in order to give it to those who do not have it. This is clearly supporting hate against a certain class of people: The wealthy upper class. Likewise, we have historical proof that socialism has committed atrocities against this class. If one is arguing for censoring of hateful ideologies, one cannot overlook socialism, even more so since Nazism is a dead ideology today, and Socialism is “in.” (For reference, see the Russian Revolution, in which the Czar and his family were killed by ‘communist’ revolutionaries, who went on to establish a dictatorship.)
 
I would also like to ask my fellow users who has final moral say as to what is right and wrong. What is a hateful ideology? How do you define it? It is based on hate, but hate of who or what? Anything? In this case, art could reasonably be viewed as hateful as there are groups of people who cannot view art period, as they are blind. This is a gross oversight that needs to be considered. By having art to enjoy, are we taking advantage of those who cannot enjoy art?
 
In the interests of ensuring that this comment is not taken as political speech of any kind, in support of any ideology (other than the interests of freedom and liberty for all people), I will take this time to make a suggest as a response to reasonably perceived censorship on Derpibooru. This is an idea which has been mentioned before, and I quite like it: A good way to speak out against censorship is just to speak and debate. A good way to address censorship on Derpibooru is, rather than outright leaving (which I will admit is a very tempting and perhaps decent idea, but if they stop and you come back there is nothing stopping them from reverting their revisions, other than possibly leaving again which would grow tiresome quickly), is to remain and speak out against it. An example of this which was posted earlier is Autumn Blaze (if you find Aryanne or Nazi imagery offensive) as she sings her song. Nonviolent protest works well for supporting a cause, while violence and hate tend to damage a cause and taint public image against it. Thus I would argue, based on this, one should not give the staff of Derpibooru any ammunition to use against us in our fight against censorship, and as such, we must be reasonable and level-headed.
 
One final point: If a group has, in the past, opposed censorship but has changed its opinion in favor or censorship, despite promises not to, can this group be reasonably trusted not to make further changes that oppose the group’s founding ideals? What if these changes lead to unintended consequences which hurt oppressed groups? What, if anything, should be done about this?
 
Thank you, my fellow users, for taking the time to read my thoughts. I look forward to seeing what debate and ideas can arise from these thoughts. I have a few more thoughts which I could put here, but I will abstain from it as these thoughts are facetious and could reasonably be viewed as attacking or insulting the staff, or supporting hateful ideologies-even thought I support ideals of liberty and freedom, and oppose censorship and authoritarianism.
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@windburst  
I meant more to the debates that showed up on this site.
 
Anyone for DWM couldn’t be convinced Derpibooru didn’t support rape cultures for having the character here.
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@windburst  
I am pretty sure DWM was much later and not related to this, it was due to some campaign on tumblr. At least I don’t remember JJ ever talking about a C&D, can be wrong.
Background Pony #A221
Speaking of hateful ideologies, reddit changed their rules just now to make it OK to be openly racist towards white people.
And here we are arguing about cartoon ponies being hateful.
That might just be the most ridiculous interpretation of a rule designed to protect “marginalized or vulnerable groups of people” that I’ve seen yet.
windburst

@windburst
I am pretty sure DWM was much later and not related to this, it was due to some campaign on tumblr. At least I don’t remember JJ ever talking about a C&D, can be wrong.
 
Might be right, but I do remember nicole oliver unknowingly tweeted a molestia image during thanksgiving hence the twitter mob and C&D thing. 2013 was a while though so forgive me if I don’t rememeber it right.
 
@Derwol  
And here we are arguing about cartoon ponies being hateful.
 
Every day we’re becoming more 1930 germany, ironic.
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Undesireable
@Derwol
 
Whatever is wrong with “be excellent to eachother”? Why can’t they just say “don’t be a prick to others, regardless of race/religion”? I would assume they’re not trying to say ‘actively attack white people on our site’ but damn this is a case of foot-in-mouth.
Filiecs
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@Derwol  
Although quite obviously they mean ‘the majority in America, where Reddit is hosted’ (aka white people), it’d be quite hilarious to see them try and use that rule to enforce that rule where whites are the minority. Or fail to enforce that rule against people who live in areas where whites are the minority.
PoemeMystique

The left is gearing up for the US election. A massive wave of censorship is sweeping through the online forums. We are getting off fairly lightly here compared to Reddit, Twitter, Twitch, etc. I saw today the Dems are plotting to abolish the Senate filibuster if they win. Liberal-democratic society is dying in real time in front of our eyes. Terrifying times indeed.
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@windburst
I am pretty sure DWM was much later and not related to this, it was due to some campaign on tumblr. At least I don’t remember JJ ever talking about a C&D, can be wrong.
Might be right, but I do remember nicole oliver unknowingly tweeted a molestia image during thanksgiving hence the twitter mob and C&D thing. 2013 was a while though so forgive me if I don’t rememeber it right.
And here we are arguing about cartoon ponies being hateful.
Every day we’re becoming more 1930 germany, ironic.
 
I can’t believe that is real, that it does not protect the majority. So it’s okay to say all whites deserve to be gulaged or something I guess, without a hint of irony.
 
I can’t believe I have to argue in favor of Aryanne now, a position I remained indifferent on up til now and regarded just as a joke in poor taste.
Background Pony #FAC7
@Derwol  
I want to doubt you, but..
 
Comment arguing that rape of women should be acceptable and not a crime.
 
… is it saying that it’s okay to say rape of MEN can be acceptable and not a crime? Why the distinction? Is it just poorly written?
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Maybe it wouldn’t have turned into a political thread if you weren’t a bunch of spineless cowards.
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@SC Orion  
That would’ve been with the original Nazis. Today they would be accepting of anything that could spread their ideology. Especially one that could implant it in the minds of kids.
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Undesireable
@Background Pony #7360
 
Aryanne isn’t for kids though? Are there parents out there that are openly sharing Aryanne memes with their kids or something? The character is literally just a parody, and I don’t believe for a second that many actual neos would approve of their ideology being portrayed in this way.
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@Background Pony #7360  
If a picture of a pony with a swastika turns you into a follower of the tenants of anti-Semitism and German Fascism just by mere observance, then the same can be argued that pride flags turn you instantly gay. Weak argument.
Background Pony #A221
@Background Pony #A221
“For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority”
Please explain how this does not target whites?
Because of the part you left off.  
For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.
The rule may be about marginalized or vulnerable groups of people, but they say right away at the onset that “Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment” and “Communities and people that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned”.
 
The rule does not give people carte blanche to attack whatever group they want so long as they are in the minority. Promoting attacks of hate based on color or ethnicity is simply not allowed.
 
 
@I Literally Dont Care What You Want  
So it’s okay to say all whites deserve to be gulaged or something I guess, without a hint of irony.
No. It isn’t. Nor are they saying it is.
 
 
@Background Pony #FAC7  
@Derwol
I want to doubt you, but..
Comment arguing that rape of women should be acceptable and not a crime.
… is it saying that it’s okay to say rape of MEN can be acceptable and not a crime? Why the distinction? Is it just poorly written?
Seriously? Did you not see the part above that saying those are “Some examples of hateful activities that would violate the rule”? They’re merely demonstrating the kinds of things that would break the rule, not giving a comprehensive list of everything that is not allowed.
Background Pony #7146
@Background Pony #A221  
I don’t think underscoring the second half removes the first or changes what it says. It’s either allowing the majority to be targeted or very poorly written.
Background Pony #28E6
As terrible as the reddit rule is, I don’t think debating it here is in any way productive. In fact I’d even go so far as to say that it’s pretty much completely irrelevant to derpibooru, but if you do want to discuss it, it would probably be for the best to make a separate thread (or talk in the politics thread or something).
 
I don’t want the mods to have to come in here and either do a sweeping purge of off-topic stuff or even just end up locking the thread like they’ve done with the Ask the Mods thread multiple times.
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