Concerned Users of Derpibooru

Background Pony #9BD4
humanity has issue is call being extreme we take every to far and that will be our doom
Background Pony #2A39
@Background Pony #BE3C  
I’m from /mlpol/ so let me clarify some things. The /mlpol/ community does not condone raiding and as a matter of fact I had never even heard of “Operation Pridefall” there; you are welcome to look for yourself. Secondly, /mlpol/ users run the gamut as the site exists purely as a community with minimal censorship as an alternative to both /mlp/ and /pol/. Despite the edgy banners and posts the only things that are universally liked by the /mlpol/ community are freedom of speech and ponies. No matter our differences/estrangement from Derpibooru we’re part of the community too as an attack on freedom of speech for some MLP fans is an attack on all of us.  
/mlpol/ is portrayed as “le ebul Nazis” but we aren’t markedly different from anyone else, and in fact the Anonfilly subcommunity took root there after /mlp/ effectively banned her. Please don’t spread fear to try to split the community.
Background Pony #8110
@Barhandar  
“Think of it as a constituency that allows concerned users to peacefully and civilly discuss censorship”
 
My post detailed my feelings regarding the way I see the current situation regarding DB censorship against certain groups of people.
 
Please consider OP’s words more carefully before accusing me of derailment.
Background Pony #9BD4
@DragonRanger  
but that the fun part you see people of what they are realy are but it is true anonymosity most end not only in derpibooru but the entire internet
DragonRanger
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@Archonix  
At the very least it would force people to put their views out in the open without hiding away as an anonymous user. There are even accusations that the mod team themselves are doing this.
Archonix
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@DragonRanger  
There are a multitude of reasons for allowing users to post anonymously. Privacy is one. The ability to air opinions that may not necessarily be popular is another. I’ve used it plenty of times to comment on images that I wouldn’t want publicly associated with my username, or to comment on threads where I wouldn’t want people to know it’s me. When I was a mod, it was a useful tool for taking part in conversations without having the baggage of the mod badge getting in the way of the discussion.
 
Anonymous discussion allows a free exchange of ideas without the taint of rejecting or accepting ideas purely because they come from a particular person.
Barhandar
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@Archonix  
>When I was a mod, it was a useful tool for taking part in conversations without having the baggage of the mod badge getting in the way of the discussion.
 
Doesn’t apply to some mods because they have separate accounts without said badge. Unless you include people’s recognition (which only really applies to TSP/TFP, because obvious, and liamwhite/byte[] because there are multiple interlinks, for example on Philomena repository, anyway) in the badge.
Background Pony #451A
@Barhandar  
@Archonix
 
It’s likely that anon modposting is happening, though I haven’t seen directly malicious uses of it and proving it is very difficult. I’m willing to give people the benefit of the doubt, but there are posts that are definitely a little bit sus.
 
There are reasons a mod would like to stay anon to the user base while making an off-the-books comment. The reasons could be as simple as why I’m anonposting - I don’t use the site for politics and I when this is over I want to disengage from this and go back to normality as soon as possible (if normality ever returns).
 
That being said, at a time like this it seems like a really bad idea for mods to be anonposting for any reason.
 
If you go back one page, there’s someone who sounds awfully familiar
Background Pony #23FA
@Candel  
To be honest I wish Twitter was like that, because I would try to debate with the person. But they are using shut down culture for people that debate them.
doloresbridge
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Peace to all
How I judge the administration depends on the circumstances. I bet that it was one of three scenarios, or a mix of them, that I suspect played out.
 
1: The administration was under some kind of threat externally and immediate, say, patreon suddenly threatening to cut them off. This scenario is where I give the mods the most slack. You can see why the response would be discoherent and not all on the same page. Still, throwing out various different justifications for reasoning and censoring legit criticism was wrong. It was a poor response that deserves some strong criticism but I can at least see why it would have been so hasty and disorganized.
 
2: The administration feared getting cancelled in response to the Atlantic article bringing us some media attention. There response goes from poor to abysmal at this point in my rating. I mean, I can see the panic but a truly competent administration should have brought it up as an issue with the community that would be debated. Heck, if they just flat out stated that reason and let it be that, that would still have been better then the response they gave of spitting out various different excuses that sometimes conflict as that undermined user trust such a point where that makes it hard to earn it back and makes one think:
 
3: that it’s all just politics. This rating is worse than incompetence but betrayal. Say, the mods, whatever their political bias, are actively deciding to use the controversy to push out groups they don’t like. I’m not saying I’m found of nazis either, but they are so often over played and the suspicion on it going further than that is not unwarranted as it seems to be a playbook at this point across the net. The pursuit of purity would destroy aspects of our culture that hurt us all as it often spills over into things that are completely unrelated and does often lead to abuse of everyone that doesn’t walk a certain line.
 
Regardless we need transparency and honesty going forward as that is the only remedy that I think would get everybody close to the same page, but even then it is a uphill climb. I’m not completely against offering olive branches but we’re going to need something clear answers.
Background Pony #B384
@Parasprite
 
MY thoughts regarding the Aryanne issue.
 
I think, some people just blew it out of proportion after that article
 
The Aryanne case is clear: nowadays it’s mainly used for porn / cute pics without second thoughts by people who are NOT supporting nazi in reality. Those people just see a cute looking pony picture.
 
Of course, some nazi supporters indeed can use Aryanne to promote their beliefs, and this is what caused all this reaction everywhere.
 
But nazi can use a lot of other things to promote themselves. How far we’d have to get with banning things used by nazi supporters?
 
As for nazi symbol on Aryanne’s butt mark…  
Well let’s be honest here: that symbol was stolen by nazi, and that symbol by itself shouldn’t be treated as “nazi promoting” sign. It really depends on each person’s view.
 
Here: “In Hinduism, the right-facing symbol is called swastika, symbolizing surya (‘sun’), prosperity and good luck”. It’s sad that it’s only associated with nazi by many people because nazi stole and abused it.
 
Nazi and their beliefs are really bad of course. I don’t argue that at all.
 
I just don’t think that a cute picture of a pony that’s just sitting and does nothing promotional at all, should be seen as nazi promotion just for that symbol, which doesn’t have to be associated with nazi at all.
 
I think, that the banning should happen only when that pony is actually used in the context of promoting nazi and their beliefs and ideas.
Background Pony #B384
What is “promoting nazi and their beliefs and ideas” According to admins, cute pics are “promoting nazis and their beliefs and ideas”
 
For example, it could be a scene of mistreatment of other ponies, and a pony with nazi symbols is acting supportive of it, or conducts that mistreatment.
 
Or it could be some nazi ideology slogans in the picture, etc. It could be a lot of things.
 
But I don’t think that a presence of the that stolen by nazi symbol of swastika should automatically be equal to promotion of nazi, even if it’s on some pony’s flank.
Shimauma
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@Background Pony #B384  
Yes the swastika was a positive symbol that was appropriated by the Nazis. It was appropriated so successfully that anywhere you go in the Western world, if someone uses a swastika it means they’re supporting fascism. That ship sailed a long time ago, and it’s never coming back into port.
Background Pony #8110
@Background Pony #B384  
The fact is nobody knows to what degree people are consuming aryanne or whatever kind of similar imagery due to genuine alignment with certain ideas (pro-white bias, support or lite support of Nazism, ect…), or for other reasons (aesthetic appeal not in relation to alignment with said ideas), and very few will admit this. There exists zero data that meets a scientific criteria to reveal the truth of this question, so any assumption being made about the proportion to which what characteristics of these works are enjoyable to people and why is completely fallacious and unjustified on factual grounds.
Background Pony #B384
Some people might also argue that if there’s a porn picture of Aryanne in which she’s not getting raped or killed, that then it’s supporting nazi in some way…
 
But that’s really silly as well.
 
For example, some people might actually have a fetish: find nazi arousing.
 
But there are a lot of arguably disgusting things that are fully allowed by this site, and that are found arousing by some people. It even includes death or killing explicit images.
 
So even if that would be the case, why explicit pics of a nazi pony should be treated any differently from explicit death / rape / abuse pics on this site?
 
And why don’t we say then that those explicit/fetish pics promote (respectively) death / rape / abuse, and other things and ban them all?
 
Well… as you can see, it’s not that simple.
Background Pony #8110
@Background Pony #B384  
Right, I made a similar point as well. If your motivation against Nazi imagery is to maximize well-being and prevent harm based on an assumption that this might inspire some minds to do said bad things, surely I can say the same thing about other pieces of media that also depict things that you would agree are bad when they happen (rape, murder, the depiction of other ideologies associated with bad things, ect…), why wouldn’t you also want to prevent that from happening if possible.
 
It’s a blatant singling out of a certain group of people based on fear and other social pressures on the basis of zero evidence. This is not a valid justification for censorship behavior as far as I’m concerned.
Background Pony #B384
I’ll even make it very simple for everyone:
 
  1. Rape is a real world problem. It can harm or kill people, and it shouldn’t be promoted.
     
  2. Nazi is a real world problem. It can harm or kill people, and it shouldn’t be promoted.
     
    See any difference? I don’t.
     
    Then why do we ban ALL pics of Aryanne, but not ban pics of rape?
     
    Weird…
Background Pony #B384
Yes the swastika was a positive symbol that was appropriated by the Nazis.
 
Imagine if Nazi used just a picture of a sun…
 
Then we all would have to hate sun after that and associate it with nazi only?
 
That would be sad.
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