Holy shit

Was it so hard to keep the same system that this damn website used for the last 8 years.  
It wasn’t broken, don’t fix it.  
If you don’t want to see shit you don’t want to see, just exclude it from your search. It’s that simple.

@Strelokfaggot
 
It seems like the majority of people don’t want to see it, and are thusly excluding it from the entire site. It’s just a bigger filter, it’s that simple. Go make Aryanne-Booru and post there with your 4chan buds 4day old account, not that hard you’ve had 8 years to make an alternative.

I Totally Agree. I’m Using Filters to Hide Image that Contains Something about Political, Or/And Racism.

@Strelokfaggot  
The problem is that you have a very vocal minority who is of the opinion that Nazi imagery, even in jest, even as satire, should not be allowed. Ever. At all.
 
I imagine if asked they would desire The Producers and Hogan’s Heroes to also be cancelled simply because it has Nazi iconography.

@Background Pony #DA33  
Is it actually the majority, or is it a vocal minority?
 
I think I’m done here. I literally just posted in the thread about how they were reverting back to the old policy before I went to bed thanking the moderators and congratulating them on doing the right thing by sticking with the old and sensible policy against censorship, and apparently they have decided to give up on that again before I could even start dreaming.
 
I’d be tempted to ask them to take down the few pieces of art that I’ve posted over the years myself at this point honestly out of disappointment if nothing else, but it just seems too petty and childish even now.
 
What a pain.
 

@I Was Never Here
 
Probably vocal minorities on both sides really.

@Background Pony #DA33  
I don’t defend or support nazis or racists. I defend their right to exist, speak their piece and participate in the public discourse. I think taking away the franchise from people who would espouse hateful ideas only pushes them to become more radical and disenfranchised which only serves to strengthen their resolve to try to recruit others to join them in their mindsets.
 
That and I think satire is funny, but people don’t care about that so that’s not what I start with. Though I guess it doesn’t matter either way since it’s very clear I’m not really part of the intended user base of this site anymore.
 
Enjoy the new userbase.

@I Was Never Here  
Sure, but it’s a “few people become more radicalized” or “a lot more people see it and buy into it”. I’ll take the former over the later any day.

@Background Pony #DA33  
But it’s significantly easier to work against that sort of thing if it’s allowed in the mainstream discourse. What this sort of policy does is just push that content elsewhere while encouraging the disenfranchised content producers to adopt similar policies of their own. So what you’ll see is this sort of content instead appearing on sites where you can’t argue against it and you can’t post dissenting opinions towards it, making it that much more effective.
 
That’s what I’ve seen consistently in my life at least. Whenever you tell someone they’re not allowed to talk about something here then they seem to find that it’s that whatever they had to say is that much more important and they find elsewhere instead.
 
Though I’m sure that everyone will just disregard me and my opinion just like everywhere else.

@I Was Never Here  
I’m listening mate, at the very least. But you know you can engage with a topic without platforming it? I can read someones book / manifesto and produce a dissertation dissecting every single one of their points WITHOUT giving them a platform. You don’t need a Nazi in the flesh to be able to argue with a Nazi- you can just read Mein Kampf or review history and discuss it there. And sure… But for a dose of reality here- the only “site where you can’t post dissenting opinions” is literally Stormfront. This is the “locked down dissenting opinion” website we’re talking about.
 
I mean sure on spreading it elsewhere, but there is definitely an effective result when it comes to deplatforming people and the volume of their voice / how far it can spread after the fact.

I think some people find it difficult to understand the difference between liking an OC and supporting actual nazism ideology.
 
The majority of people who like that kind of content do not support that ideology.

@Sunglow  
The OC is a mouthpiece for nazism ideology. If you go around waving a nazi flag saying you just like the design elements, people are going to draw conclusions regardless.

@Background Pony #DCC9  
Are you even aware of the genesis of Aryanne.
 
She’s an Earth Pony who espouses the superiority of Unicorns. And believes she is a Hornless Unicorn.
 
She’s literally a goddamn moron.

@Background Pony #E1E5  
The only people aware of Aryanne’s “lore” are the ones following Aryanne threads on /mlp/ where it gets improvised. It’s not readily apparent on the vast majority, if not all, of Aryanne art here.

Is this gonna affect my fetish art?

@Background Pony #431D  
Eventually.
 
@Sunglow  
It’s actually extremely telling.  
@Background Pony #DCC9  
I’ve seen a hypothesis go around, that all the people who currently espouse [insert pertinent ideology here], are so engrossed in their politics that they’re incapable of even considering that people can create things without actually espousing them, that is, that people can separate themselves and their own political stance from their art.  
I think that’s just lacking basic empathy, and also where all the “only real nazis draw Aryanne”, “only zoophiles draw explicit ponies”, etc etc come from.
 
Also, imagine if George Orwell was wholehearted supporter of the society of 1984, instead of it being a criticism. Aldous Huxley with his Brave New World, too. Or Tolkien being a delusional man thinking he lives in the land with elves and dwarves and magic.

@Barhandar  
Derpi can go ahead a bite a bullet if they allow fetish art to be scrubbed.

@Background Pony #431D  
As of the last 48 hours or so, staff censoring things they don’t like is no longer the biggest threat to fetish art on this site. Artist DNPs from one political persuasion or the other will affect all our lewds, regardless of who wins.  
Save what you can while you can lad, the ship’s taking on water.
 

i literally dont give a shit about any ideology and politics, i just think that censoring things on an image archive is retarded

@Background Pony #7EAE  
Nah, the pro-censorship DNPs had basically no teeth. After all the tallying was done there were only three significant artists of the bunch, and two of them stopped drawing pony years ago. And given the current state of affairs the anti-censorship people will be retracting their DNPs.

@Background Pony #DA33  

 
No, you don’t understand. If you were to deplatform any Nazism as a whole then you can’t engage with it. You wouldn’t be able to read someone’s books or manifestos because there wouldn’t be a book or manifesto to read. Writing is a platform just like art, and it can be dented by publishers and distributors same as derpibooru can deny their platform to artists and other creators.
 

 
As far as I’m concerned, that’s very much my point. I think the reason that sites like stormfront exist is because the people who discuss there have been pushed off of other platforms and have been forced to make their own, and because of that they have adopted the same policies that isolated them in the first place, thus worsening the whole of public discourse.
 

 
I disagree, as someone who has been watching this for years I would say that in a lot of cases deplatforming someone is more likely to ultimately spread their ideas faster, because there are always people who are going to want to know why it got deplatformed in the first place.
 
In essence I think that in most cases deplatforming is a flawed attempt to deny someone the franchise to speak, but more so it’s denying everyone else the franchise to hear them and make up their own minds about the situation. In the end, I think the most insidious voices aren’t even the ones that say that certain people’s voices shouldn’t be allowed to carry, I think the most insidious ones are the ones who say that nobody should have the right to think about what they have to say.

@I Was Never Here  
Public discourse is not improved by saving a seat at the table for Nazis. Deplatforming works. Stormfront (is it even still up, lol?) is an increasingly marginalized site incapable of bringing in new members because the avenues of radicalization and recruitment keep getting cut off. Deplatforming works.

DUDE, are you THE strelok? Like, I know you arent, but then I feel like Streloks become so obscure, sometimes I wonder if I just dreamed him up. Hows the bathunt going?  
Didnt you die of cancer?

@FrecklesFanatic  
which one are you talking about