The great GamerGate discussion. (Stuff and things)

DeathCloud

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Lets asume you are right about Sargon, this would still not justify anything Anita is doing.
 
 
@Commune  
Just like saying something is sexists is not making it true.
 
You sounded like it was about objectification, anyway its still bulcrap subtle sexism thing.
 
She started doing that exuse, thats its fine to enjoy thing but she still complain about those things as if those were wrong from moral stand point (because thats what you say if something is sexist or similar) and its not same other form if criticism because those are more subjective and don’t guilt trip you to agree with it. That “psychology and sociology” was used to shit on games for long time, if there is no more obvious accusation of games being evil (and don’t pretend that Sarkesian and other feminist are not loud about games being sexist).  
You know what, you should give actual examples of those so called reinforced steretotypes instead just being general and vague. Same with “don’t fit such type of character”, what is aslo double wrong because author have pretty better idea what such character his creator is that someone else and you may just push your interpretation or expectation on character itself.
 
 
@Commune  
One click is enough safe guard from that twat.
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@HJSDGCE  
Except one didn’t make the claim “Words are harassment” going as far as the UN to spout such things, then by their own definition begins harassing people in an audience of a paid event.
 
If you ask me, one of them is far worse.
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@DeathCloud  
Yeah you can critique something that you enjoy shocking idea
 
And how does she guilt trip people ? It just states her analysis of what is wrong with women’s representation in video games. Sargon’s videos are more guilt trippy than hers
 
And the stereotypes are of course the proactive sexualized woman which can be subtly reenforced through even small details like the hip sways(which most women don’t do but for some reason game devs put in) if it is a small detail. Again it’s subtle and that’s how it seeps in to your conscious, you are unaware of it  
It is also out of character for many female protagonists like whats-her-face in AC:London(forgot title). She’s suppose to be this hardcore killer yet walks with this hip sway which doesn’t make sense  
I mean for princess peach it makes sense because she is a aristocratic bitch but for many other female video game characters it just doesn’t
 
Note that I don’t like Anita as she is a liberal but many of her critiques are valid and to discard them away without review is quite.. irrational
DeathCloud

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@Commune  
Its better if you actually show this enjoyment instaed just complaining and whining.
 
If you claim there is something wrong on moral level with something like its racist, sexist, you guilt trip people into hating it if they agree or understant your judment and dont contest it.  
Sargon vids only more guilt trippy for you because you hate him more, but whatever he is not revelnt to this. Even if he is worse than her in anything you cant deflect any criticism toward Sarkesian with that.
 
I still don’t see how hip swing of chacter is sexist or wrong to asociate with other women. Especially how it can be esly disolved when you look on other women in fiction or in RL, unless you see more of them in RL or other non game media doing hip thing.  
And no, its only not in character if character was established it wasn’t part of her before, but just having role in society or story is not reason enough to not have that kind of behavior. Murderous chick can act like if she is royality as long she want. (I dont seen any vids of her so I cant be sure how much hip swing is there anyway).
 
I don’t discard all things she says, I may linsted when she does make sense, but so far I didnt seen explample of it, especially not from what you are saying.
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@Cyborg_pony  
The UN is a joke, pretty much every single person that does news and politics harass other people and when said people get mad, the jackasses put themselves on a moral high ground, and as for words being harassment…
 
That’s not new. At all. I’m not defending Anita but I’m calling shit on both. Just because Anita is worse, does NOT give Sargon a jail-free card.
 
Both suck. One sucks more but they both still suck. Kinda like the 2016 elections. And people get mad when there are those that don’t want to vote.
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Note that I don’t like Anita as she is a liberal but many of her critiques are valid and to discard them away without review is quite.. irrational
 
Funny you say that, considering she has done nothing but that to everyone who criticizes her.
 
You say you don’t like Anita, but you are arguably defending her.
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@Cyborg_pony  
I don’t care what Anita does but I do think her arguments are valid  
That’s all I care about  
Yes she fucks up at times and I don’t fully agree with her arguments but I do see the validity in them
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@HJSDGCE  
I know you’re not, but I don’t see how Sargon sucks.
 
you’re free to dislike him, I was stating how much power and influence Anita has over someone like him which to me, that makes her far worse as she’s paid to go to speaking events, game companies and such and then does what she accuses others of.
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@Cyborg_pony  
And that’s a legitimate argument. I accept that information.
 
I’m only adding to that by saying that Sargon, despite being influenced by Anita, does not make him innocent. He’s more innocent than Anita, but still guilty regardless.
 
Basically, if there’s a line to this, Anita is like 2km back and Sargon is probably 500m. Still behind the line.
 
I still accept your opinion though and can honor that.
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@Cyborg_pony  
Factually? Honestly, probably nothing. I tend to overreact when someone brings in Sargon. I’m in the wrong in this argument, but I’m still fighting because reasons below.
 
Opinionated? I just really hate his guts. Not just him too. A bunch of other so called “truth news people” on YouTube are also on my list of “people I wished would go fuck themselves”. All of them are so condescending, arrogant and take pleasure out of people’s misery. In examples are Sargon, Milo Younotthepolice and Steven Crowder.
 
I hate them as a person. They’re probably smart as hell but being a shitty human being doesn’t excuse that.
 
I apologize for getting mad but I can’t stand these people at all. You could say that Sargon is my trigger.
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@HJSDGCE  
I’ve never seen Sargon take pleasure in people’s misery.
 
I remember when Laurie Penny was arrest for her own laws, he was one of the few to come out in support of her when others laughed at her.
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@Cyborg_pony
I don’t care what Anita does but I do think her arguments are valid
That’s all I care about
Yes she fucks up at times and I don’t fully agree with her arguments but I do see the validity in them
 
Yeah, no. Her social Marxist doctrines such as “the male gaze” is nonsense. Same for how often she complains about female sexualization in video game like its the same amount of bad as being not allowed to vote or not allowed to Drive(latter applies to Saudi Arabia, or at least has for a long time).  
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So speakers are allowed to abuse paying audience members at a conventions now? Isn’t what Anita is doing something she wanted the U.N. to crack down on?
Also watching her have to actually deal with real people was an eye-opener. She didn’t answer a single question and labeled it all “Muh harassment”
Seriously, she proved herself a fraud here, and I’m not lying when I say pretty great to watch her get so salty.
I think this might kick Anita out of the gaming spotlight once and
 
HOLY CRAP!
 
She HARASSED the skeptic community real time? And acted like the victim?  
Now everyone can see how much of a coddled damsel in distress shit and fake she is.  
“Strong woman”….
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@SeraphimDawn  
I gets better when she retweeted Franny that as essentially “Women are weak”.
 
Anita’s ego got the better of her and without McIntosh to run everything she was pummeled with real people in stead of the ass-kissing cue cards she’s used to at speaking events.
 
The irony is, she broke Vidcon rules, the sad thing is she probably wont be removed. Talk about who has privilege.
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