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The showdown between right-wing ralliers and the far larger group of counterprotesters in the heart of downtown Boston comes just one week after a chaotic gathering of far-right political groups — including neo-Nazis, white supremacists and Ku Klux Klan members — left dozens injured and one woman dead in Charlottesville after a reported neo-Nazi allegedly plowed his car into a crowd of counterprotesters
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@Cyborg_pony  
Did any other mainstream media site accuse them of being right-wing?  
Not that they are, i disagree with that notion. But one doesn’t make a whole in this occasion.  
A quick google search on “free speech boston rally” shows quite a few notices on counter-protestors commiting mistakes.
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@Cyborg_pony  
That quote just says “right wing ralliers” I don’t see the quote calling people in the Boston rally far right wingers.
 
The only mention of the Far Right is when the quote talks about the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville
 
Or did you make a typo?
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Plus, the WashPo article explicitly states that the organizers of the protest did not support bigoted views, despite previous mentions that far-rightists would attend the rally (i’m afraid that the moderate organizers of the rally didn’t do a good enough job at fending off such far-rightists, since they invited those guys in).  
The middle-to-last paragraphs do tell it.
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What is slander?
 
If you are making the case that the driver of the car was not “reported neo-Nazi” then make it.
 
If you are trying to make some other case, then make it.
 
PROTIP: If someone has to read or watch the entirety of the article that you are linking to try to reverse-engineer the point you are trying to make, it isn’t welcome here.
 
Your links should SUPPORT your claims, not MAKE them.
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I think his argument is that the way the Washington Post is wording it, describing the Boston Free Speech ralliers as “right-wing ralliers” and immediately following how that it “comes just one week after a choatic gathering of far-right political groups - including neo-Nazis, white supremacists and Ku Klux Klan members” (emphasis mine), he interprets this as the Washington Post subtly trying to link the Free Speech ralliers in Boston with the white supremacist/neo-nazi ralliers in Charlottesville, implying that they are both the same kind of groups - ie, that Boston Free Speech was a neo-Nazi/white supremacist group. And given how many counter-protesters in Boston showed up accusing them of being Nazis, as well as how - ahem - certain commentators in this thread have more or less indicated they thought the same about the Boston Free Speech rally goers, I’d say Cyborg-Pony isn’t entirely far off in his assertion that the group was slandered.
 
@BadgingBadger  
I agree, declaring Antifa a terrorist organization would be going a bit too far - especially since they’re probably best described as a street gang/organized crime group.
 
@Commune  
In defense of ANTIFA’s actions, I shall quote Maximilian Robespierre(he was talking about Governance but I think it works here too)
virtue without which terror is fatal, terror without which virtue is impotent. The terror is nothing but justice, prompt, severe, inflexible; it is thus an emanation of virtue.
 
Quoting Robspierre in defense of Antifa? Well, just remember that in the end, Robspierre got to experience this “emanation of virtue” he so lauded first hand.
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He claimed that the rally was slandered by the mainstream media, which, IMO, is too broad an application.  
as well as how – ahem – certain commentators in this thread have more or less indicated they thought the same about the Boston Free Speech rally goers
 
I saw no people here claiming the boston protestors were far-right.  
You’re commiting a prejudice.
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@BadgingBadger  
I’m trying not to make any - and I don’t want to cause any more drama with any direct “call outs.”  
I’ll PM you and explain what I mean, and we can discuss it there if that’s okay.
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@Cyborg_pony  
Uh, where is the slander? If you are referring to the Washington Post mentioning the 2017 Unite the Right rally, then you have made an inferrence.
 
In regard to the Boston Free Speech rally, pretty unfortunate for Shiva Ayyadurai and his fellows to be labeled white supremacists because there was one neo-Nazi present and some Klansmen said they would attend it.
 
Also, the idea the First Amendment protects people’s freedoms of religion, speech, press, peacefully assembling, and petitioning the Government for a redress of grievances from any external influence needs to die, so here is the amendment itself:
 
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.  
–The First Amendment
 
The sentence’s subject is “Congress”, not “no one”.
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No. I’m serious. They see people ganging up on groups doing nothing and they call the other fascists.
I’ve seen history this happened before.
I’m trying to get them to see, who they support are no different. I can’t see any reason to celebrate a violent group attacking people. If this was a the other way around people would be furious. I legitimately want to know WHY they would support a group that hates, and spread violence.
 
He’s talking about you, not ANTIFA or the alt-right.  
And I still think you’re going overboard with the bold letters, buzzwords, and impact phrases.  
Dude, just stop trying to deflect personal questions into politics. As i have said repeatedly, it seems like you never want to talk about yourself.
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Okay, I think I found what Shiva Ayyadurai meant when he mentioned being called a ‘white surprimesist.
 
I’m not even sure, if I can post it now. but The article is called”  
Indian-American Coalition Says Shiva Ayyadurai Betrays His Community by Standing With Nazis and White Nationalists at Boston Rally
 
Also, NBC news labeled the rally far-right and alt-right rally. I’m really not sure how to go about doing that since all I did was good “NBC News free speech rally” it’s all over their articles on the event.
 
This is just one example:  
Individuals representing the alt-right held the event in Boston. Alt-right opponents gathered for counter-demonstrations
 
My guess is, he was also talking about NBC the most.
 
And I thank zerowing for helping explain what I was trying to get at. I’m not really good at it.
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@Cyborg_pony  
I think i found the NBC report you were mentioning.  
But again, it does mention the organizers not wanting to be linked to the alt-right:  
John Medlar, one of the organizers of the free speech rally, previously told multiple media organizations the rally is not intended for white supremacists, neo-Nazis or members of the Ku Klux Klan. He also said the rally is not for those who attended the violence in Charlottesville.
The Boston Free Speech Coalition said on its Facebook page that the group is “strictly about free speech. We denounce the politics of supremacy and violence.”
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@Cyborg_pony  
In the first link:  
John Medlar, one of the organizers, has told multiple media organizations that the rally is not intended for white supremacists, neo-Nazis or members of the Ku Klux Klan and has made it clear that the “Boston Free Speech Rally” is not for those who attended the protests in Charlottesville. He also claimed the event was for liberals and posted an email he wrote on Facebook that seems to indicate he invited Black Lives Matter’s Boston chapter to send a speaker.
 
Medlar maintains the rally’s aims are nonviolent and will promote free speech for all — except hate groups.
“We absolutely denounce the KKK, neo-Nazis, ID Evropa, Vanguard — all these legit hate groups. We have nothing to do with them and you don’t want them here, we don’t want them here,” Medlar said, according to NBC Boston. “If they want to come have their own rally, we don’t want any part of it.”
 
I don’t feel like labelling them “alt-right” is malice on NBC’s part. The term is still a recent one and people haven’t gotten sufficiently used to it. At the moment, it can range anywhere from average Trump supporters, to /pol/tards, to the Charlottesville rioters, to anti-SJW Youtube political opinion givers.
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@Commune  
The full quote is:
 
If virtue be the spring of a popular government in times of peace, the spring of that government during a revolution is virtue combined with terror: virtue, without which terror is destructive; terror, without which virtue is impotent. Terror is only justice prompt, severe and inflexible; it is then an emanation of virtue; it is less a distinct principle than a natural consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing wants of the country.  
Report upon the Principles of Political Morality Which Are to Form the Basis of the Administration of the Interior Concerns of the Republic by Maximilien Robespierre
 
I’m not sure why you had cut out the rest of the paragraph.
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@Cyborg_pony  
Again, i don’t support calling them “alt-right” in a malicious way, but, as i said, maybe things will change down the road and the term will be applied less broadly.  
That is, unless “alt-right” ends up with roughly the same uncertainty of meaning as “socialism”.
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The boston frozen peach rally was definitely a right wing rally with Gadsen flags hanged all around  
Kyle Chapman wanted to be a part of it, this guy tried to attack liberal protesters at Berkeley earlier this year
 
It could have been another Unite The Right, but the DSA and other groups came together to shut them down before that happened
 
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@Commune  
IMO, the free speech rally was sure a bit of a magnet for prejudiced people. I don’t blame them, though – “free speech” is technically a concept dealt in absolute. Either you allow all of it or you stifle it.  
But, despite that, i believe free speech activists should disavow the black sheep of their group. I, for example, believe Milo Yiannoulos is doing more harm than good to the stigma of free speech, what with his ad hominem attacks and narcissist brags and all.
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Also, the idea the First Amendment protects people’s freedoms of religion, speech, press, peacefully assembling, and petitioning the Government for a redress of grievances from any external influence needs to die, so here is the amendment itself:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
–The First Amendment
The sentence’s subject is “Congress”, not “no one”.
 
The first amendment is the legal codification of what had been understood to be a shared Enlightenment principle and social norm in at least the Anglospheric world, if not necessarily the West as a whole. The idea being that competing ideas - even ones that the majority of society find distasteful - deserve to be heard out and debated among the public at large. Note that this principal does not mean that others cannot counter-protest and condemn speech that they find reprehensible and wrong, but trying to actively deplatform others because one finds their speech to be wrong would be a violation of this principle.
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