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Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)

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Unfortunately, General Lee is also considered a white supremacist or at least a symbol of white supremacy by some groups on the left side of the spectrum. Hence, the continued efforts to remove Lee and other Confederate figures, which in turn will rile people up for other reasons (ie, people who might admire Lee as man or who cherish their local history). Of course, when they complain they inevitably get cast as being in the same lot with as the white supremacists, even if that isn’t their motivation for wanting to keep the statue around.

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You need to calm down – in fact, a lot of people do. Yes, it’s true – the Left’s pursuit of identity politics that organizes people into tribes opposed to one designated outgroup that is the source of all ills in the pursuit of short term gain does and has produced to long term consequences of some members of said designated outgroup going "hey, wait a minute – we technically could be a tribe too…"

That still doesn’t make the organizers of this rally right. I’ve seen some of the pictures – I wouldn’t want to be associated with these idiots, even if I also wanted to protest the removal of Lee’s statue.

One final thing: do we even know who driver is yet, or what his affiliation is, or what if any statement he’s provided? Doesn’t it seem premature to automatically assume the driver was part of one group or another?
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White people are the real victims of American racism you guys. Don’t listen to that biased liberal media. If people had just been nicer to the poor white fellas, they never would’ve become Nazis in the first place!

…I’m telling you guys, the spin doctor is in.
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All this talk of Charlottesville’s chaos being caused by a mere statue has made me think…
Why, in the name of Pete, are there statues glorifying the Confederate States and their leadership, in the USA? Even if the pro-slavery forces lost the civil war and had their rhethoric perpetually disapproved by society as immoral? It just makes no sense to me, unless the government was that hands-off with the Jim Crow states.
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It was a way for white supremacists to remind non-whites who was in charge in the South.



Some places were less subtle about it than others.
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Are you fucking joking? This anti-white racism is an actual thing. Discrimination just because you are a "fucking white male" and being blamed for all the evils in the world is what caused this situation to happen.
Mock me all you want but I have seen it on the news, internet, and in college. Fucking COLLEGE! Seeing classes on "white privilege" and other bullshit is what is driving white people to become white nationalists.
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"Man, I sure hate being lumped in with those Al-Qaeda terrorists. I know what I’ll do! I’ll join Al-Qaeda!"
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I am aware of that. A common tale taught back then was that slavery was bestowed upon the blacks by Providence, but what had made Robert different from others in the Confederacy was his belief in slavery being temporary, hence the quote I quoted. Of course, Robert had took his belief in slavery being a preparatory stage for blacks to a torturous extreme, but it is to be remarked that Robert also believed the inferiority of blacks was temporary as well, unlike the white supremacists of today who don’t believe any other race could not be inferior anymore.
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Hardly notable. That’s not even jumping over a low-set bar. That’s like walking over a bar you didn’t know was buried on your way to lacerating the back of an escaped slave.
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My point is Robert E. Lee would not have subscribed to white supremacism. If you won’t take his beliefs about temporary, torturously preparatory slavery (historical supremacism) into account, then all you have going off of his actions is white supremacism.

Nothing is black and white.
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Like the fact the slave were bought from Africa, from Africans selling them, and they were bred as slaves.

And somehow Racist America that Loves slaves ended that practice, but it’s still racist.

Funny thing is, there were slaves of many racists. The world salve is derived from the Slav. There were also Irish slaves, Asian slaves, let’s not forget the Israelites, and I would bet they would have bought slaves from every facet.

The Civil War itself was about state rights, but most want to just say it was about Slavery.


Also if I may add: Why the Hell now after all these years do they decide to remove Robert E Lee’s statue? It feels like a virtue signal, witch will amount to nothing. It also just feels like trying to erase history people don’t like.
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Well, yes, ostensibly it was about the rights of the Southern states to protect their economies.

Unfortunately, their economies were heavily based on slave labor, so…
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The Civil War itself was about state rights

Sure, the right of the states to keep slavery afloat.
"For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery." – Georgia Declaration of Causes for Secession

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery— the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization." – Mississippi Declaration of Causes for Secession

"We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection." – South Carolina Declaration of Causes for Secession

"Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery— the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits— a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time." – Texas Declaration of Causes for Secession

"In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color— a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States." – Texas Declaration of Causes for Secession

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth." – Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy

"We but imitate the policy of our fathers in dissolving a union with non-slaveholding confederates, and seeking a confederation with slave-holding States." – South Carolina’s Address to the Slaveholding States

"Louisiana looks to the formation of a Southern confederacy to preserve the blessings of African slavery, and of the free institutions of the founders of the Federal Union, bequeathed to their posterity. – Address of the Commissioner from Louisiana to the Texas Secession Convention

"Louisiana supplies to Texas a market for her surplus wheat, grain and stock; both States have large areas of fertile, uncultivated lands, peculiarly adapted to slave labor; and they are both so deeply interested in African slavery that it may be said to be absolutely necessary to their existence, and is the keystone to the arch of their prosperity." – Address of the Commissioner from Louisiana to the Texas Secession Convention

"The people of the slaveholding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African slavery. " – Address of the Commissioner from Louisiana to the Texas Secession Convention

"To evade the issue thus forced upon us at this time, without the fullest security for our rights, is, in my opinion, fatal to the institution of slavery forever. The time has arrived when the people of the South must prepare either to abandon or to fortify and maintain it. Abandon it, we cannot, interwoven as it is with our wealth, prosperity, and domestic happiness." – Message of the Governor to the Tennessee Assembly

"The Black Republican party has for years continued to make aggressions upon the slaveholding States, under the forms of law, and in every manner that fanaticism could devise. and have now gained strength and position, which threaten, not only the destruction of the institution of slavery, but must degrade and ruin the slaveholding States, if not resisted. – Message of the Governor to the Alabama Legislature

"The Federal Government has failed to protect the rights and property of the citizens of the South, and is about to pass into the hands of a party pledged for the destruction, not only of their rights and property, but the equality of the States ordained by the Constitution, and the heaven-ordained superiority of the white over the black race. -Letter of the Commissioner from Alabama to the Governor of Kentucky

"What Southern man, be he slave-holder or non-slave-holder, can without indignation and horror contemplate the triumph of negro equality, and see his own sons and daughters, in the not distant future, associating with free negroes upon terms of political and social equality, and the white man stripped, by the Heaven-daring hand of fanaticism of that title to superiority over the black race which God himself has bestowed? -Letter of the Commissioner from Alabama to the Governor of Kentucky

"Will the South give up the institution of slavery, and consent that her citizens be stripped of their property, her civilization destroyed, the whole land laid waste by fire and sword? It is impossible; she can not, she will not." -Letter of the Commissioner from Alabama to the Governor of Kentucky

"Wealth is timid, and wealthy men may cry for peace, and submit to wrong for fear they may lose their money: but the poor, honest laborers of Georgia, can never consent to see slavery abolished, and submit to all the taxation, vassalage, low wages and downright degradation, which must follow. " Open Letter from the Governor of Georgia

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The Civil War was about states’ rights and protecting their slave-dependent economy, from the Confederacy’s view. From the Union’s view, it was a matter about abolishing slavery. Both that the Civil War was about states’ rights and slavery would be correct. After all, slavery was a state right.
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Aw, poor little Davey thinks he’s important.

He’s also wrong – Trump barely did better with whites than Romney did in 2012, while drawing far more of the black and hispanic vote than previous GOP candidates.

And he sealed the election by winning Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin – not exactly hotbeds of people like Duke.
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It was radical leftists that said "you’re a racist and sexist. Vote for Trump and you’re racist and sexist"

So either way they’re a racist and sexists, so they gave them the middle finger.

Also, Trump had a big lead on Hispanic voters as well.
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