@Datte-Before-Dawn  
Yes, yes, it’s fascinating the way _{~certain people}~ only ever seem to care about any problems on the dark side of town when they’re trying to make an argument that boils down to “Dark wuz askin’ for it”, but all the dogwhistling in the world doesn’t change the fact that however big a scumbag someone might be– Alton Sterling was straight up a wife beating pedo who shouldn’t have been on the streets– they still have the right to Due Process, which most certainly does not include making up childish excuses about “shot through a pocket” after the fact to justify shooting a suspect who had five hundred pounds of cop standing on him at the time. The 911 call that sent a triggerhappy thug with a badge to Tamir Rice was about a juvenile waving a gun that the caller identified as “probably fake”, twice. Watch the security camera footage of the shooting again; Rice– again, a twelve year old child– was sitting on a bench and didn’t have anything in his hands, and was shot to death literally two seconds after the door opened, while the car was still moving. “Being Black and having a record” is absolutely not legal or moral grounds for use of deadly force, especially since the majority of cases like this involve no prior knowledge of the individual’s record on the part of whatever cop is getting a paid vacation this week; it’s also fascinating the way you don’t seem inclined to apply the same standard of prior activity to the cops themselves, what with the officer who murdered Rice having had a long history of disciplinary problems and having been bounced from recruit training at a different department for mental instability.
 
A dude who tries to punch and kick his way out of a collar deserves a beatdown. A dude who pulls a weapon– even a fake one– on a cop deserves to get shot. A dude who gets his high speed chase on deserves to get run off the road and beat down or shot. A child sleeping on a couch, or a therapist lying flat on the ground trying to help a mentally ill patient? Yeah, not so much. Be honest– how much time did you spend trying to dig up dirt on Aiyana Stanley-Jones or Charles Kinsey before you decided to ignore those examples because they didn’t fit your narrative?
 
Oh, and that website you referenced when trying to justify shooting a guy for getting his wallet out after being told by a cop to get his wallet out? Turns out Snopes mentioned it specifically when they tore that bullshit down.

@Vitruvius  
Hmm it’s not letting me post my comment
 
http://pastebin.com/uuYneicW
 
See above for my response

@Datte-Before-Dawn
 

 
You’re changing the subject to avoid something inconvenient. Yes, it’s true that most black people who die by violence are killed by other people. Yes, that is a problem. It is no less a problem that on a per capita basis, police are way more likely to shoot black people. That is a very big problem, because if we want to solve the problem of black-on-black crime, we need black people to trust the police, and that’s not going to happen until the police bias situation is sorted out.
 

 
Looking like someone and possessing cigarettes should not be a death sentence. Frankly, neither should being a gang member, if he actually was. (The Facebook thing may be meaningful, or it may not. There are apparently dozens of groups with “crips” in the title. I should be interested to find more information on the matter.) All that matters is whether he was threatening the officer’s life, and there’s no evidence that he was.
 
I really don’t care about Sterling. As you say, he was behaving threateningly. Could he have been apprehended without being shot, or shooting someone? Maybe, maybe not.
 

 
I’ve already mentioned that Sanders and Trump reacted to violence by their supporters in very different ways. One tells his supporters to stop, another offers to pay legal fees, praises their “passion,” and pines for the days when he would have been allowed to rough people up. That tells me a lot about both of them.
 
Actually, it tells me a lot about one of them, because one of those responses was common human decency, and the other is beyond the pale.
 

They have. They do. You don’t see it because you’re not looking for it, certain media outlets prefer a narrative which compels them to avoid reporting it.
 

You keep talking about vetting. What would that even entail? Do you think all terrorists have a rap sheet? Most of them come from countries with spotty record-keeping. “Vetting” would be security theatre at best. Hell, we have a no-fly list already, and it’s still mostly security theatre. Your options are to restrict everyone, and that includes people from Germany and France and Britain (and maybe the US - we’ve our fair share of homegrown terrorists too) or to uphold American values. You know, “give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” That sort of thing.
 

 
Here you go.
 

I didn’t say a thing about being passive.
 
You may not know this, but we’re actually hitting them pretty hard. I would argue that the recent spate of attacks is a sign of desperation.
 

And? We don’t have to name names. Our bombs find their way to the targets all the same.
 
@Background Pony #C72E
 
The ideas in that article don’t just apply to the Tumblr left (although they’re definitely guilty as hell).
 

 
This is what I’m talking about. Terrorists give us a black eye, and instead of dealing with the problem intelligently, we let ourselves be controlled by anger. We go overboard. We torture. We don’t worry too much about civvies in the line of fire. And that’s exactly what the terrorists want, because anger is their lifeblood. I don’t like being controlled, and you shouldn’t either.
 
@Background Pony #DF97  

 
This has gone a lot more smoothly than I expected it to. I suppose it counts as drama, since ponies haven’t been mentioned in days.
 
@Datte-Before-Dawn  

 
Well, you did specifically ask for arguments other than racism, xenophobia, et cetera.
 
But yes, it’s nice to have a political disagreement that didn’t evolve into a shouting match.
 
@Datte-Before-Dawn  

 
I’ll do the same.
 
I mainly just wanted to provide some sources you asked for, but since I made other points, feel free to answer them.
 
And then we can all get back to cartoon ponies.

Actually, I do think we should stop the debating already in these comments, as engaging as it has been.  
I’ll let Vitruvious make the last statement and then I’ll bow out.

@Background Pony #DF97  
nAH it’s been a peaceful peaceful debate so far, I think. It’s refreshing to see someone like Vitruvious who actually has reasons to dislike Trump and his policies, not just “he’s a big rascist meanie bigot xenophobic islamophobic etc”
 
Wait until people start name calling or something first, I think
 
 
@AaronMk  
If people Hillary but will never ever vote Trump (understandably angered Bernie supporters, for example), I highly suggest voting independent, yeah. Even if she doesn’t manage to get the presidency, having a high enough percentage of voters voting for her could show the country that it’s had enough with the two party system. Could really effect the future of the much-hated 2 party system, if enough people turn out.

@HaloFreaks  

 

 
W-we still have a chance. R-r-right guys?

Is it time yet for “drama in the comments,” or is it too early?

It’s worth reading The Toxoplasma of Rage to understand why these particular BS stories become lefty talking points, rather than the thousands of reasonable ones they could use.
 
There’s a reason they end up screaming “I believe Jackie!” even when it’s proven beyond doubt that Jackie was lying. It’s not because they’re idiots.

@TexasUberAlles  
Sure you state the #blacklives that you can politicize, but what about the ones who you can’t or don’t? Say, the life of the staggering 324,000 black people killed by other black people in just 35 years, or maybe the life of people like Tyshawn Lee, a 9 year old who was executed in a public park by gang members as a revenge killing. Or what about Jamyla Boden, a 9-year old from Ferguson who was killed in her home while doing homework by a drive-by gang shooting. Where’s the outrage in that?
 
Instead yeah, let’s focus on Tamir Rice, the 12 year old you mentioned, who was filmed waving around a very realistic gun at people in pubic and threatening to shoot them.  
 
THat looks like a real fucking gun. You have to examine it very closely to say “Hey wait a sec, that looks fake”.  
The police didn’t know this was a fake gun coming in, nor did the people Tamir threatened, they just arrvied on the scene after being called about a person waving around a gun. A very high tension scenario.  
His shooting was tragic, brash and shouldn’t have been the first thing these tense officers should have done, but this is not the posterchild you want for a completely unjustified shooting.
 
Castille, oh Castille.  
Trust me, this is not the hill you want to die on. The man wasn’t pulled over for a broken tail light, like his con-artist “girlfriend” said they were. He was pulled over because he matched the description of a robbery suspect (who was accompanied by a black female, btw) who took a bunch of money and a pack on Newport cigarettes (y’know…the same exact brand his “girlfriend” was waving around as she spun her sob story).
 
This guy was a member of the Crips, and it is looking more and more that his “girlfriend” was actually a “side-bitch”. Just look at their Facebook posts. http://gotnews.com/breaking-philandocastile-falconheightsshooting-crips-gangmember/  
He was hardly the shining beacon of hope and civility. Moreso, the only thing people have seen is that creepy video of his monotone “girlfriend” talking in a calm and monotone voice
 
And then there’s good ‘ol Alton Sterling. He was waving his gun at a homeless man, threatening to shoot him. That’s why the police where there, not because he was selling CDs. He was a big man who had a weapon, who can be seen reaching for his weapon. As shown here, you can shoot your weapon through your pockets, and that can definitely kill someone.  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtnOA13ALpM
 
He was a convicted felon and a registered sex offender with an impressively long list of crimes. But yeah, I will let you die on this hill if you want to.  

 
There are exponentially worse things happening to black people at this moment, since for every 1 black person killed by a police officer, justified or not, 40 are killed by their own race. It’s not publicized because you can’t sell it. Generally speaking of course, not you yourself.
 
Her speech and Obama’s rhetoric isn’t the cause.  
They should be HEALERS, they should CALM the racial divide caused by the unjustified police shooting of actually innocent people, like pretty much every other incident you named (those are indeed shady and deserve to be looked at further, with the officers fired and taken to justice)
 
 
@Vitruvius  
I already mentioned that attack by 2 alleged Trump supporters. What else you got?  
Does it outnumber the actually-reported-and-recorded attacks by Bernie Sanders supporters and BLM activists on Trump supporters?
 
>I don’t agree with the methods of many of the protestors, but Clinton is right. Don’t make the mistake of seeing the world in terms of, if you’ll pardon the pun, black and white. Shooting cops is a despicable act, and riots and violence are also despicable, but not everyone who protests gets involved in that. Some of the tactics of these protests are counterproductive, but some of the complaints of the protestors are valid and worth addressing
 
It’s members, not the appointed leaders, should do more to denounce the protests that go violent and the deaths (just like you suggest Trump should denounce the alleged violence that permiates the Trump movement you claim happens). People listened to MLK because it was a peaceful movement. They were beaten and abused and mauled by dogs, but did nothing in return. In exchange, the world saw the brutality these people were inflicted with and became sympathetic. The only thing BLM does by doing the exact opposite is come closer to being labeled as a terrorist group.
 
>Let me rephrase it: there are rapists and murderers everywhere, in every society.  
Do you want to block immigration from every country?
 
If they have a history of terrorism, like middle eastern countries, more vetting would be preferred, lest we become the next France or Germany. New attack nearly every week at this point. If we were talking just regular countries that have rapists and murderers, a simple backgroudn check and vetting process proposed by Trump would usually be enough to turn them back around. That way, we are sure were getting the best from each country, not some undercover thug or whatever.
 
>Should we start deporting people who are already citizens?  
If they have a history of violent crimes or a career in crime, then definitely. Look at Switzerland, they let in a bunch of immigrants, and those people become citizens. If those same people are not integrating or commit crimes, they get deported swiftly. Now, I honestly don’t know if that’s the reason for their very low crime rate or if its the Swiss-branded gun culture that would make America blush, but all countries should look to the Swiss for immigration policies, imo.
 
>I also want to make it easier for people to come in legally. Not only would it help us keep tabs on people for legal and tax and census purposes, but I think you’ll find that the easier legal immigration becomes, the harder illegal immigration becomes.
 
Ayy we agree on something. A good thing to agree on.  
If we make it easier to come her legally, we put coyotes and human traffickers out of business, too. Rather than take the giant risk of crossing illegally through miles of desert or putting their lives in the hands in dangerous cartel members, they’ll just say “fuck it, lets just go through the front door”.
 
 
>When Trump was informed that these were illegal orders and that the military would and should refuse to carry them out, he said he’d make them.
 
Never heard of this. Sauce pls?
 
>He has not backtracked on those comments. He’s doubled down on them. Worse, he doesn’t realize that you can’t defeat an ideology that way. That would just encourage recruitment for ISIS.
 
Passivity is recruitment, being strong is recruitment.  
As Trump himself said, no one but him knows his real plan for ISIS, because if he tells the media, ISIS will know (because I know for a fact they tune in)
 
>You really think he’s the only one who wants to do something about ISIS? You can’t be that naive. You’re confusing tough talk with effort. Trump talks tough while actual politicians go about disrupting ISIS fiscally and militarily and building the coalitions needed to fight an asymmetric enemy.
 
See above. Also, Obama and co. refuse to call the enemy by it’s name, even in the face of facts, Germany covers up any mention of Islamic violence that happens in their borders, France has told its citizens that they’ll just have to “live with terrorism” after the disgusting attack on Nice…And then there’s Russia, the only country who takes this threat seriously, for all it’s many flaws.
 
What do you expect me to believe?

@Datte-Before-Dawn  
This is the rhetoric that encourages racial divide, the rhetoric that reinforces the idea of inherent police rascism  
Do you honestly think that Clinton giving a speech has more to do with that than, say, a Black concealed carry licenseholder being shot while reaching for his wallet… after being instructed to reach for his wallet? Or a Black suspect being shot in the back while restrained facedown on the ground by two other officers? Or a Black licensed therapist shot while laying down on the ground with his hands in the air during an attempt to talk his patient into peaceful compliance? Or a Black twelve year old sitting on a park bench, shot literally two seconds after the cop car door opens? Or a Black seven year old shot in the head while sleeping during a no-knock raid on the wrong address?
 
Really. You sincerely think that Clinton giving a speech is the root cause of racial diviseness and the public perception of police racism.

@Datte-Before-Dawn  

 
Not all of the protesters who have been roughed up have been violent. If you want Mexicans getting attacked instead, try this. Their motivation? Donald Trump. Trump’s response? Not denunciation, just a comment that his fans are “passionate.”
 

I don’t agree with the methods of many of the protestors, but Clinton is right. Don’t make the mistake of seeing the world in terms of, if you’ll pardon the pun, black and white. Shooting cops is a despicable act, and riots and violence are also despicable, but not everyone who protests gets involved in that. Some of the tactics of these protests are counterproductive, but some of the complaints of the protestors are valid and worth addressing.
 

 
Let me rephrase it: there are rapists and murderers everywhere, in every society. Do you want to block immigration from every country? Should we start deporting people who are already citizens?
 
I also want to make it easier for people to come in legally. Not only would it help us keep tabs on people for legal and tax and census purposes, but I think you’ll find that the easier legal immigration becomes, the harder illegal immigration becomes.
 

It’s not. I’m talking about the comments where he suggests targeting families and torturing people. These are war crimes. When Trump was informed that these were illegal orders and that the military would and should refuse to carry them out, he said he’d make them.
 
He has not backtracked on those comments. He’s doubled down on them. Worse, he doesn’t realize that you can’t defeat an ideology that way. That would just encourage recruitment for ISIS.
 
Life is cheap among those people, and they thrive on the perception of persecution. You can’t scare them with torture or even the deaths of their families. You just give them more fuel by doing that. We will win when we convince other Muslims that our civilization offers them a better future. Good luck doing that with torture.
 

You really think he’s the only one who wants to do something about ISIS? You can’t be that naive. You’re confusing tough talk with effort. Trump talks tough while actual politicians go about disrupting ISIS fiscally and militarily and building the coalitions needed to fight an asymmetric enemy.
 

Have you been paying attention to Russia? Like, at all?
 

That attitude is another reason that Trump is not qualified to be president. Yes, we’re footing the bill for the protection of Western civilization, because that is how soft power works. America doesn’t need to be made great again; we are great, and the entire world can see that because we are the ones holding back the barbarian hordes. Turning the US into rent-a-cops would rob us of that power and that greatness.

@Vitruvius  
oh come on, those are not immigrants, those are protesters  
VIOLENT protesters, no less  
Protesters who have previously RIOTED and LOOTED outside of his rallies, destroying property in their own communities  
Brats throwing a tantrum
 
Here are those same people protesting peacefully  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxLtF0WWtRY  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQmbn7ndvZQ  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aQW3fCMi-Q  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyUBwhNzZIU
 
Certainly not the hill anyone wants to die on. I hope.
 
So once again, nope, he has not encouraged violence against immigrants for the sake of them being immigrants, while BLM has actively praised and encouraged police attacks.
 
Hillary hasn’t praised them, but has increased the divide further, telling white people that they NEED to “pay attention” to the “unseen barriers”, the plight of these peaceful protestors. This is the rhetoric that encourages racial divide, the rhetoric that reinforces the idea of inherent police rascism.
 
Yea, Bernie has told people to chill, to his credit.
 
>There are plenty of American drug dealers and rapists. Mexico does not have a monopoly on violent crime. As an American, I am acutely aware of that.
 
Then do we really want more here, especially those who we dont even know are here or what theyre capable of  
By making them go through LEGALLY, we know who they are and if they earn the privilege of living here.
 
>Maybe he’s a savvy businessman. I can’t say; I’m not in the real estate business. I can say that I’ve never declared bankruptcy. Whether he’s a savvy businessman or not, he’s certainly not a savvy politician. Did you watch the debates? He didn’t even know what the nuclear triad is. And as I mentioned, many of his proposals with regard to NATO and ISIS have been unconstitutional or in violation of international treaties.
 
You’ve also never run multi million dollar businesses. If you have, hey, I’m open for commissions, give me a ring.  
People like touting the fact that he’s declared bankruptcy for a proportionately small amount of his more than 500 businesses, no one really likes talking about the 500 or so that make lodes emone.
 
He’s since scaled back on the “bomb the shit out of them”comment, if that’s what you’re referring to. But it’s the idea of it that matters. In a world being devastated by the terror of Islamic radicalism, there is the one guy who listens to what’s happening and wants to take action.
 
The only NATO comments I;ve seen from him are him saying he would back out of NATO (which if you look at NATO with a fine toothed comb, is outdated) if they don’t carry their own weight financially and don’t do their part, he would renegotiate terms or back out. All we’re doing is being police of the world, being hated for it, and then being footed the bill. I don’t agree that much with his comments on a full withdrawl, but we need to take care of ourselves before we can be the police of the world again, so I don’t know.

@Datte-Before-Dawn  

 
Unfortunately, he has. And people are listening.
 
I’ll note one thing missing from your image of awful tweets: anything written by HRC or a member of her campaign. Clinton never once praised the murder of police officers, nor did she encourage violence against Trump or Bernie supporters. Sanders, to his credit, also told his people to knock it off when they got out of hand. He certainly didn’t praise them for it.
 

 
There are plenty of American drug dealers and rapists. Mexico does not have a monopoly on violent crime. As an American, I am acutely aware of that.
 

 
Maybe he’s a savvy businessman. I can’t say; I’m not in the real estate business. I can say that I’ve never declared bankruptcy. Whether he’s a savvy businessman or not, he’s certainly not a savvy politician. Did you watch the debates? He didn’t even know what the nuclear triad is. And as I mentioned, many of his proposals with regard to NATO and ISIS have been unconstitutional or in violation of international treaties.

@Vitruvius  
Crap.  
The link was this https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/751542474972291072  
Came after the shooting death of police officers at the hands of a person indoctrinated by the harmful rhetoric like “Pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon” that those peaceful supporters like chanting. When you preach violence against the very people sworn to protect you, what do you think is eventually going to happen? The weaker willed amongst the group will get angry and see violence as the only solution. “Retaliation”.  
Support of such attacks exist in disgusting droves. (NSFL)  
 
 

 
Trump on the other hand hasn’t advocated we go out and beat up immigrants. If he HAD, he wouldn’t have made it past the primaries. If he had, he wouldn’t have the largest amount of support from hispanics of all tiem for the Republicans.  
Trump wants to make illegal immigration harder and LEGAL immigration easier, thereby making sure we are getting the best from each country while making it harder for the dregs to stay there. This is because, he said, the people that immigrate illegally through our porous borders here from Mexico are drug dealers and rapists, and let me tell you, as a Mexican myself, I can definitely see that. You ever been there? I’ve seen the atrocities that the cartels can be capable of as an ex-resident of a border town. Cartel wars are a very real thing and it often spills into our cities http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/06/15/graphic-cartel-war-brings-terror-mexican-border-state-dismembered-body-daylight-executions/
 
The majority of immigrants are not cartel thugs, of course. I never want to come off as that. But the ones that are are in high enough number making devastating enough impact that it warrants action.
 
I’ve heard of exactly one such attack by 2 alleged Trump supporters against a homeless immigrant (which is unjustifiable), that’s about it. What are others?
 
@Vitruvius  

 
But what I’m saying is, you don’t get a million dollars (a retardedly high amount, i concede) and turn that into billions out of pure luck and incompetency. Brand recognition certainly helped, but you can’t sya that was the sole reason.
 
The GOP loves Gingrich (for good reason, he’s the one that restored the Republican majority all those years back) but can you imagine the shit-show the media would have with that, with Gingrich’s personal affairs already aired out from 4 years ago? It’d be a mess. They’d eat him alive and it’d distract from Trump’s campaign.  
Besides, Gingrich will most likely have a cabinet position for him waiting come January, just like (I hope) General FLynn.
 
No ifs. c;

@Datte-Before-Dawn  

 
It’ll be our little secret.
 
Your link only took me to the top of Clinton’s Twitter account. I assume you meant to link to a specific tweet, but I didn’t find it. Is there any specific phrase I can use to search for it?
 
The majority of BLM protests have been peaceful. All of them? No. It’s worth noting that they denounced the murder of police officers. Did their rhetoric influence the shooters? Possibly…but if you go down that route, you open yourself up to the argument that Trump’s rhetoric is responsible for the documented cases of Hispanic people being attacked by very vocal Trump supporters. You can take the conversation down that route if you choose, or let it be. It’s peripheral to the main issues, in my opinion.
 
For what it’s worth, I’m not a fan of BLM. I think their intentions are good, but their methods are actually harmful to their cause.
 

 
His business strategy tends to be reducible to plastering his name on something and throwing money at it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. It’s also far easier to implement such a strategy when you are in a position to think of a million dollars as a small loan, so thanks for bringing that up.
 
I would have thought Gingrich would be a more logical VP selection. He has some bad history, but he’s a much bigger name than Pence and he’s also in a good position politically right now.
 
{bq]The system “works”, but it could be a lot better, imo.[/bq] I agree, but as you said, we have different ideas for going about it.

WELP, blew my anon load.  
Oh well.

@Vitruvius  
Oh, the white people thing was a reference to the recent cop killings, didn’t think I needed to clarify that, sorry
 
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
 
And then there’s the memorial Obama attended where he went off on an off-topic rant about the “peaceful protests” of BLM, which has killed police with their hateful rhetoric. All these two have done is seed more racial disparity and divisiveness, trying to prop up that indeed, all cops are out to get black people. Disresectful.
 

He’s a businessman with over 500 successful businesses, compared to a handful of businesses that didn’t make it. You don’t get this far, turning a “small loan” of million dollars into billions without at least SOME complex ideas, don’t you agree?
 
Pence is there to give him much needed political insight and experience. I was hesitant on him as a VP, as I would much rather had FLynn, but I was even more concerned about Trump’s experience, like you. Pence is a House darling, and knows the ins and outs of the political process.
 
The system “works”, but it could be a lot better, imo. We need to shake things up, a break from the usual which is getting us nowhere. We disagree on the approach on how to fix it, but that’s a-ok.

@Background Pony #90C9  

 
I think Sanders oversimplifies things too, actually. That might be because he only has one issue that he cares about, and I don’t think he understands it particularly well.
 
There are levels between grade school and college. Analysis suggests that Trump uses simpler language than any candidate in recent memory. As I said, that may be a deliberate choice to appeal to his base, but it does not inspire confidence in his ability to negotiate complex ideas.
 
If you think that Clinton, Sanders, and Obama have not acknowledged the recent tragedies in France, Germany, and the United States, you have not been paying attention. If you think that any of them have blamed these incidents on white people, you are deluding yourself, or allowing someone else to delude you.
 
As to the “need” for outsiders, I disagree. Outsiders fail to get things done because they fail to understand the unwritten rules of the system. Rather than working within the system, either to reform it or to satisfy their own agendas, they oppose it directly and without finesse. This inevitably has one of two results: either their efforts are entirely without effect, or everything grinds to a halt, and they leave the system worse than when they found it. I understand the sophomoric desire to tear it all down and start over, but to do so ignores the fact that the system, even bloated as it is, actually does work (even if some people tell you it doesn’t). Does it work perfectly? No, of course not. No system does. But it works better than you think.

@Vitruvius  
TO be fair, the judge was part of a Bar group named La Raza. “The Race”, in spanish (I’m mexican myself, and I can see clear bias)  
If you don’t see even the POTENTIAL for mistrial, then I dunno what to tell you
 
 
And about the way he speaks, he speaks on a “3rd grade level”, because people UNDERSTAND third grade level. Look at Bernie Sanders speaking at an uppity hoity-toity Colelge level with big words, and you can see why his support doesn’t expand much from outside the college student demographic. The only people who look down on the fact that he talks in a way that people UNDERSTAND him, are the people with weird smarticle superiority complexes. So called “intellectuals”.
 
And I’d rather someone who like, actually acknowledges tragedies and attacks, than how Hillary and Obama have done it. Blame the white people for hidden racism and cover their eyes to the atrocities commuted in the name of the religion of peace.
 
And your last point, that’s what we need. An outsider. Not another career politician who’s first duty in office is to pay back their rich friends from Saudi Arabia. Throughout his 30 years of being in the public eye, he has been concerned about his country, OUR country, hoping someone would step up to the plate and do what’s needed. Also, Pence was chosen to unite the cautious GOP around Trump, and it did just that.
 
Meanwhile, while Democrats…well. Fractured would be putting it very lightly, at this time of writing.

@Background Pony #90C9  

 
I disagree with Trump on trade, on Iran, on Russia, on pretty much everything relating to science, and on immigration. But I can say that about many past candidates for the presidency. Instead, I’ll offer several factors which I find especially distasteful.
 
First, he talks like a second-rate used-car salesman. He always promises “the best,” “the greatest,” “the smartest,” “beautiful,” as if hyperbole was itself a qualification for the presidency.
 
Second, he also talks like a third-grader, in several ways. The language that he chooses to use suggests a limited vocabulary and a limited complexity of thought. I will give him the benefit of the doubt and acknowledge that this simplicity might not be indicative of his own intelligence, but might be due to his desire to appeal to his base, which is characterized by a particular educational profile. What really bothers me about his language, however, is his reliance on insults. He has childish nicknames for everyone he dislikes. That is crude enough for conversation between adults, but it is simply unacceptable for someone who seeks the highest office in the land.
 
Third, he behaves like a third-grader. He made a dick joke during a nationally televised debate, and he churlishly interrupts moderators and other speakers. He suggested that a moderator was mean to him because she was menstruating, and a judge ruled against him because he was Mexican. He uses disasters and tragedies as opportunities to ingratiate himself to his base on social media.
 
Fourth, and perhaps this should have been first, I have serious doubts about his competence. He has never held public office of any kind. He does not appear to understand how treaties work, or how the Constitution works. Despite his claims that he will attract “the best people,” his foreign-policy advisors are nobodies, his choice of running mate is puzzling at best, and there are signs that he attempted to backtrack at the last minute.

@Background Pony #FA7B  
Let’s try something
 
Tell us something you don’t like about Trump or disagree with about him without tossing the overused false flag of racism/xenophobia/homophobia/etc, because that doesn’t sway the average voter
 
I’m very pro-Trump, but I’ll start  
I don’t like his comments about him hinting at suing crooked MSM networks after he makes it easier to sue for libel. I value freedom of speech more than I dislike the spins and twists the networks try to pin Trump with (judging by the recent polls, quite unsuccessfully, might I add)
 
Now you go. I am interested in what you dislike about him

@Background Pony #90C9  
It’s not a buzzword if it’s true,Trump maybe not racist himself and just do it to pander to the alt.right but it still sound like a Simpsons joke.Not racist but number 1 with racist

@Background Pony #90C9  
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Jayzis, it’s like his entire dumb face is an anus. Hilllary looks like a freakin’ psycho kitten-eater whenever she smiles, but day-um, I’d rather look at the Joker than Clayface.

@Background Pony #DF97  
GUILTY

@Background Pony #90C9  
“And in the Changeling Kingdom, she led the negotiations that led to the worst magic deal in history.
 
Let me be clear: Ponyville and the world are measurably less safe and less respected because of the Changeling Kingdom deal Trixie helped cut.
 
And she became the biggest cheerleader for it in the end.
 
A deal that will lead to a magic Changeling Kingdom, a Canterlot that will be less safe and secure, and a more dangerous Chrystal Empire.
 
Trixie Lulamoon, as an inept negotiator of the worst magic power deal in Ponyvillian history guilty or not guilty?”
 
–Shining Armor Shiningstie