@raakamagna
he criticized Marx because he believed that with Marxist Theory the proletariat would be fetishized and not liberated, and he believed that everyone was an unique individual therefore he thought that Marxist Theory the proletariat would still remain…the proletariat, has its said here
@Genny
When he said one owned what one could exert power upon and that those with the might to keep property had the right to it.
No. He was not capitalist, neither was he communist. His whole concepts were generally speaking neither political nor economic unless you consider the abolition of state, law, and politics, political and economic. His views were more often than not philosophical. In fact his stance was against communism because of a simple philosophical reason. No one has the right to enforce equality over the individual. Redistributing wealth through coercion goes against Stirner’s principles. As such were he visited by the Party to take his property away against his own will, one side would end dead.
Just as many say, not being a capitalist does not make you a communist.
@AaronMk
He was an individualist and recognized private property (even though not from a monetary concept) and stood against coercive action to bring any sort of equality. In that regard he was pretty much away from most current left leaning stances.
As pointed, even Marx and Engels would probably find the impact of their ideas in current times unpleasant if they witnessed it.
The left ruined itself.
@raakamagna “Now, on the contrary, when every one is to cultivate himself into man, condemning a man to machine-like labor amounts to the same thing as slavery. If a factory-worker must tire himself to death twelve hours and more, he is cut off from becoming man. Every labor is to have the intent that the man be satisfied. […] His labor is nothing taken by itself, has no object in itself, is nothing complete in itself; he labors only into another’s hands, and is used (exploited) by this other.” - Max Stirner
Now-a-days Stirner gets a lot of attention from the left because of his dismissal of property all together and his critique of traditional notions (the state, money, God); which all in the long game is what the left wants to eliminate or liquidate as institutions. His line about not wanting to torture fellow man because he loves man as his own is often picked up on and found support in the anarchist community as a support in Stirnerian philosophy for Libertarian Communism and as an attack on the heavy federalized model of Communism the USSR adopted.
It helps that in comparison to Ayn Rand, Stirner turns into the Joker of the deck in writing off such hierarchial notions as she supported and her ideas of private property.
Really, he’s pretty hard in the far, far bottom left in that he basically makes the claim everything but the individual doesn’t matter. Defining ownership by what the individual can physically use and show power over using and personally protect from others is hardly a centrists idea, which would still imply full or large reliance on capital, which we assign arbitrary and artificial value on.
To add: because he was also criticized by the left of his time (see: Marx) doesn’t move him from the left either. Marx himself arguably or unarguably isn’t an entirely original thinker in the left, and not even the father if Socialism or Communism, he just made the later mainstream. Marx himself was widely criticzed by thinkers in his own time in much the same way he attacked others; Bukanin and Proudhon for instance, not to mention pre-Marxist socialists.
I saw this and began to wonder… What is Stirner doing there? He was pretty much centrist, anarchist, and amoral, not to mention most leftists were not that fond of him for his individualist views.
@Genny Ah, Chomsky led a buncha them into wanting to vote for Clinton, and they became completely blinded due to authority appeal and never even acknowledged there was a counter-movement (one example of which being in that previous comment’s link, a lot of different South/CentAm leftist groups came to the US to protest her not the other guy)
…at least until it came time to assign the blame for being out-of-touch but before then, flat-out ignored’em!
Also you basically had two bernie camps spring up immediately after the DNC, the smaller one claiming to follow the blokes up above but blindly swilling corporate slop. (though there were some earlier attempts to get them in line before the big day)
it’s kinda funny but I wound up following mostly left-leaning sites to find actual news because the right played into the MSM’s trap, was always stuck on the defensive. If they hadn’t been so terrible at offense they might’ve won somewhere!
@Genny yeh, jussaiyan it may’ve birthed it but is not directly it. Didn’t know if you were conflating the two or not but it was something I noticed as a major problem in western-based political circles last year. although it may also have resulted from those groups’ preferred candidate being hypocritically the classic representative of such but an unwillingness to admit it to themselves even when confronted by their victims.
@Niggoslav_Krawczyk
well yeah, because imperialism is considered the extention of power by a powerful nation through taking territories,
also i probably meant in the past, like the two bengali famines which killed in total 17 million people, the first being in the 1880s killing 10 million while the other would be during WW2 causing 7 million deaths
and, the native american genocides etc.
Chomsky should be disincluded though, his reproachable conduct last year showed he both lost his nerve and integrity.
It’s not only clear that he was threatened, but that he went beyond what he needed to to sell his subservience!
@Bexar Banditofinally I understand what that fucking meme means!!!!
Or Apo, who might as well be the Kurdish version of our George Washington. But in the way Abdullah fights the Turks and Syrians, Georgie-boy fought the British and Germans. And let’s not forget the vigilante justice of Sam Adams.
@AaronMk
probably he doesnt
he’s so ignorant and anti-communist that when he even sees someone remotelly social democratic or even environmentalist (ahem, Jill Stein) he gets butthurt, like, really,
@Genny
And also killed bkack men, and yellow men, and btown men, but that’s just a joke to you. And I wouldn’t be supreme if that was the actual death count of victims kills by communist.
