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@Smart Heart  
I mean it was for the greater good yes
Smart Heart

@Background Pony #42C6  
I meant abuse criminals and manipulating them to their demise with false promises and/or revenge and trying to justify it by saying “it’S fOr ThE greATEr goOD.”
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@Smart Heart  
I mean yea ofc people in real life aren’t a spirit of chaos and disharmony
Smart Heart

@Background Pony #42C6  
Still, I’d hate for it to be the case that people in real life do what Discord did.
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@Background Pony #42C6
Are you saying you would do the same as him to benefit a close friend?
 
Are u implying u have to do or think the exact same as a character to understand and at least give them some empathy, i mean people do it to characters who only seek to murder for lulz all the time.
Smart Heart

@Background Pony #42C6  
Are you saying you would do the same as him to benefit a close friend?
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@Background Pony #42C6
I’ve seen it and he’s still a villain in my eyes. Also, during his time as Grogar, he broke two of those villains out of Tartarus (without the Princesses’ permission, mind you), brought another into said fortress against her will, and revived another just to send him out knowing he would die again. After that, he used said death as blackmail for the other villains to comply as well abuse them with his own magic if they ever spoke up. You can’t use “good intentions” as a shield against these sort of actions.
 
He wasn’t using shield he truly only had good intentions
Smart Heart

@Background Pony #42C6  
I’ve seen it and he’s still a villain in my eyes. Also, during his time as Grogar, he broke two of those villains out of Tartarus (without the Princesses’ permission, mind you), brought another into said fortress against her will, and revived another just to send him out knowing he would die again. After that, he used said death as blackmail for the other villains to comply as well abuse them with his own magic if they ever spoke up. You can’t use “good intentions” as a shield against these sort of actions.
Background Pony #42C6
  1. That doesn’t excuse the fact that he manipulated four villains into doing this plan. In fact, our heroes only called him out on making a giant mess and not for the potential lives he put at risk and the fact that he’s using this morality boost as an excuse to use and abuse these villains into complying with his plan.
  2. Is being ruler of Equestria really all about how many bad guys you can beat up or destroy. There must be more to it than that.
 
Excuse? Explain excuse? And also did u go back and watch the scene i was saying
Smart Heart

  1. That doesn’t excuse the fact that he manipulated four villains into doing this plan. In fact, our heroes only called him out on making a giant mess and not for the potential lives he put at risk and the fact that he’s using this morality boost as an excuse to use and abuse these villains into complying with his plan.
     
  2. Is being ruler of Equestria really all about how many bad guys you can beat up or destroy. There must be more to it than that.
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@Background Pony #42C6
So what you’re saying is that the Princesses and the Mane Six were in the wrong to get angry and call him out on his plan?
 
I mean no they weren’t in the wrong to call him out, as angry as everypony was however I want to point out none of them turned their backs on him or suggested imprisoning him because they knew he did truly have his heart in the right place as they know how he operates, they were just too reasonably pissed off to care/forgive him until he swore to make it up to them. Discord s9 ep 25: “Im so sorry it made so much sense in my head, twilight defeats her worst enemies and is filled with confidence, I truly did have the best intentions, I swear ill make it up to u.” I know u hate discord but id advise to revisit that scene
Smart Heart

@Background Pony #42C6  
So what you’re saying is that the Princesses and the Mane Six were in the wrong to get angry and call him out on his plan?
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@Background Pony #2C35
As I said in another post, if you had a friend who was going to become leader of a company/country, but was nervous as all hell to do it and the only option you had to boost his confidence was to emotionally manipulate some criminals to their downfall with empty and hollow promises of revenge/money/power, would you take that option?
 
U know u Dont have to agree with a characters methods to understand them in@Background Pony #6A38  
You mean he’s not the the well-intentioned extremist he claims to be in the actual episode?
 
Well he is a well intentioned extremist because he meant well for what he saw as the greater good by definition hes a well intentioned extremistfull
Smart Heart

@Background Pony #2C35  
As I said in another post, if you had a friend who was going to become leader of a company/country, but was nervous as all hell to do it and the only option you had to boost his confidence was to emotionally manipulate some criminals to their downfall with empty and hollow promises of revenge/money/power, would you take that option?
Background Pony #2C35
We can agree to disagree, OP.
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@Smitty1991  
Eh, fair point. Starlight was pretty bad.
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@Copper Knight  
How the fuck is this Twilight’s fault?
 
@royalbardofequestria93  
No, not at all. She just tried to destroy Equestria by fucking around with the timeline, that’s all.
 
@Background Pony #5CDE  
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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unfortunately this is true for that moment
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I’m still pretty disappointed in Discord for causing the suffering in season 9 premiere & finale,  
but I can forgive him if he really does learn to be a responsible deity in the end.
 
 
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@Copper Knight
 
That is true. To be clear, I don’t hate Discord as a character, by any means. I’m just of the opinion that he’s more flawed than Starlight has, has more tendencies to get over.
 
@Smart Heart
 
Comparing Starlight to Chrysalis, Tirek, and Cozy Glow because “they refused redemption the first time too like she did” is only similar on a superficial level. Twilight didn’t have a chance to ask Starlight “why” before she stormed off, and when she did get a chance later, it was made clear it wasn’t because she was just a power-hungry egomaniac… in sharp contrast to Cozy Glow.
 
With these three, the motives have all been figured out, and their intentions were always worse than Starlight’s, and they’d never shown any hints they could be swayed for any reason.
 
Discord was only released in S3 because Celestia knew that he’d be better to have around not doing active villainy, and because he could be useful. These three? Not so much. They’re all worse than he was as a villain, and Twilight has personally witnessed this. Discord’s alternate timeline? He was chasing the princesses dressed as clowns on a unicycle, while Tirek was blasting everything for the hell of it, and Chrysalis was hunting resistance pockets down, enjoying herself.
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Yes Discord, you are an useless asshole. Allright, kill yourself.
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@Smart Heart  
But this was their second defeat and they didn’t have any remorse. They weren’t misguided or controlled. They did this fully aware of their actions and even called themselves villains with no hesitance. They didn’t see themselves as the heroes of their story.
Smart Heart

@Copper Knight  
So did she the first time she was defeated.
Copper Knight

@royalbardofequestria93  
And they were. It took Discord the entire finale to regain his good graces and helping to fight without powers before they forgave him.