Let’s summarize: she’s clearly a filly, someone for some reason had to ask, one guy said she was a colt because the script said so, and people bought it even though final products can differ from the original script like it clearly did here. If nobody asked, this argument wouldn’t be happening. So, thank you Richard Merriweather for starting this.
Whoever cares so much to argue and debate a foal’s gender needs to take it to private chat. Spare the rest of us the toxicity, please. Most of us just enjoy the images.
If they wanted to made Li’l Cheese male they would have done it.
If they wanted to make a Statement About stereotypes they would have made it in the Show.
They did neither.
@Backgroundpony
Unless they specifically do something to remove their control (such as when Faust left while the show was still being created, or when George Lucas sold Star Wars to Disney), creators keep creative control forever; this is a very well-established concept for fictional franchises. Just because it ends doesn’t mean they no longer have control over details as long as they don’t concretely contradict the show. This is the whole point behind supplemental encyclopedias, databooks, interviews, and everything else similar that creators do after a series ends. You claiming that your interpretation of an already-broken pattern literally overrides both the script and one of the creators is the height of arrogance.
Also, if you’re accusing him of lying, then it’s on YOU to provide proof. There was literally zero incentive for him to lie about Cheese’s gender, and your “reasons” are nonsense; people would not be more angry if he had simply said that Cheese was a filly, and the question he was responding to was completely neutral in every way.
You are clearly too biased for anyone to convince you regardless of the evidence, so this will be my last post here.
@Fwelin
Creators of fictional stories absolutely have control over the content of their series. Yes as Long as they are creating it.
Ups we mad a mistake it should not be like this. To bad you finished it. Like it or not you are now just an observer.
Stop acting like you don´t understand that they say anything to get fanatic fans of their back. Twitter the place they send deaththreats to creators if they don´t get their ship confirmed. Getting doxxed. Getting their Reputation ruined.
“Tell me what you want to hear, just leave me alone.” Totally a reliable scource.
“Li’l Cheese is such a cute colt.” - Oh why thank you.
“Li’l Cheese is such a cute filly.”- Oh why thank you.
Call me if you find some offical merchandise or even better it being mentioned in the Season 10 Comics. Than we can argue if that is Canon or not, but you are Standing there with Nothing but: “My Father told me so”
On that note while I don´t consider it Canon. Li’l Cheese was mentioned as a filly in official merchandise.
So rule of thumb for the Show + Official merchandise.
@Backgroundpony
This theoretical cardinal did not create God, the Bible, or Christianity, said religion is not admitted as fictional by their followers, and said cardinal has an incentive to lie for personal gain. In comparison, Jim Miller WAS one of the ones who did create MLP Gen 4 and had creative control at the time of The Last Problem, and has no reason to lie. Sorry, your analogy is an utter failure. Creators of fictional stories absolutely have creative control over the content of their series.
Jim Miller, the co-director of the series at the time, stated that Li’l Cheese was specifically considered to be a colt AND was labeled one in the script. That is not headcanon, and easily overrides whatever weak rule of thumb you’re talking about.
@Backgroundpony
Unless contradicted by the show, the show runners’ statements are just as canon as is what is in the show directly. The show does not conclusively prove what gender Li’l Cheese is, so Word of God on him being a colt is canon.
Exceptions to a rule literally prove that a rule isn’t 100%. That’s how logic works.
Finally, you might want to brush up on what faith means, because I am operating on exactly the opposite of blind faith here.
@Fwelin
How does it feel to be a Person of blind faith?
Did you hear the cardinal says that god forgives your sins if you buy letter of indulgence from your church.
Only the Show is Canon. You have no evidence.
We got the common use of the Show style and you try to use the execption of the rule to disprove the rule. If I Punch you in the face you will Punch back. Oh first hit was lucky and knocked you out? Guess if I Punch you next time you don´t Punch back because that is the rule now.
@Backgroundpony
The twitter post is evidence for Cheese being male. In the absence of concrete evidence against that from the show, thst’s plenty.
@Softy
There have been male ponies with eyelashes before as well, like Pound Cake (as a foal) and unnamed background (adult) ponies. The specific combination of filly-like muzzles and eyelashes not having appeared before on a colt doesn’t mean anything, so Cheese is simply the first. The snouts or eyelashes have never been stated anywhere to be restricted solely to females, so it’s simply a pattern, and patterns aren’t inviolable. Just because something hasn’t happened before does not mean by itself that it can’t.
@Fwelin
Colts with snouts like this, okay. I don’t recall any other colt with those eyelashes, though. And certainly not both features. The combination is plainly saying “filly”.
The statement “it is possible for males to have filly-ish body features” is already proven by other examples in the show. It doesn’t matter how many examples of fillies having this type of muzzle or eyelashes you can find, because the statement “only fillies can have these features” gets completely disproven by a single example to the contrary of each.
@Softy
Except that the traits people are using to assess Cheese’s gender are not concrete. There’s a couple colts with filly-style snouts, and a couple of male ponies with eyelashes.