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Background Pony #6B4E
Even if 4chan were important to the genesis of the fandom (TAU raises good counter-points) that doesn’t mean it isn’t dispensable or even detrimental today. Maybe the fandom would have been better off without those fuckin’ edgy spergs anyway. Whatever positive qualities /mlp/ once had are gone. I went there after the series finale. What a bunch of neurotic retards. Desperate to find excuses to bitch about nothing. No interesting insights at all.
Armagedonus
Duck - Thinks minorities should make their OWN ponds if they want to swim.
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

@Mindless  
Whay were you expecting from internet debate?  
Clear winner or looser? Or a “ballanced point of view”?  
LOL  
Internet debates exist for ALL sides to scream at each other in a SMALL chance to convert “neutrals” to your side.
Mindless

Man I was gonna try to respond to this with like, a well written explanation of how both sides seem to have come to the same point of “4chan was extremely important to the modern fandom but a version already existed” and everyone just wanted to win the argument and how shaking hands and walking away would leave us all slightly better people. But then I saw how many people were going against TUA that I’d have to convince with my post, and TUA said he’s been talking about this for 8 years and just…..you get this wall of text instead. I hope it’s still enough to put a smile on some people’s faces and convince them to leave the argument with some knowledge and experience on both sides. I wish debates kept their purpose of sharing/explaining ideas instead of hating the other person’s ideas…..
TexasUberAlles
Duck - If report count was a score, he'd have the biggest score
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Lunar Supporter - Helped forge New Lunar Republic's freedom in the face of the Solar Empire's oppressive tyrannical regime (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab

@oddball 623A  
What, you think there’s someone out there who’s even more incompetent? I dunno, I’m gonna need to see some example posts, it’s gonna be hard to top “insisting that nobody ever said a thing which several people have quite clearly said in the same comment section”.
oddball 623A
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Wallet After Summer Sale -

@Background Pony #F77F  
The 4chan community changes and morphs all the time. During the Bush and early Obama years, it was a liberal paradise. It wasn’t until Obama’s second term that it began to morph into something more neutral. Now, it’s beginning to transform into a liberal haven again.
 
This thread alone makes it abundantly obvious that a lot of you have never posted there, or even so much as read a thread there. 4chan is made up of a lot of boards, each with their own community. /pol/ is cancer, and not a single channer will tell you otherwise.
oddball 623A
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Wallet After Summer Sale -

@Background Pony #AB6F  
You can throw me in the 4chan lineup. Everyone knows that this is where the meaningful fandom got its start, and everyone arguing that is just pulling at strings in a desperate (and kind of pathetic) attempt to distance themselves from the scary hackers on steroids.
Background Pony #AB6F
@TexasUberAlles  
You mean this thread’s ‘survey’?  
Other (5): @TexasUberAlles @Skoon @Background Pony #D509 @Background Pony #8E47 @Beau Skunky  
4chan (4): @Background Pony Number 17 @Background Pony #7124 @WarKing76 @Armagedonus  
(I’m admittedly unsure where I found out about it first) 10 people does not a proper census make.
 
The thing you aren’t factoring in is: The person who posted in the thread/forum/blog/journal, where did they hear about it? (Granted, this also works on the flip-side. Someone from 4chan could have heard it from elsewhere.)  
Going back to address this statement: “That is… completely not the point that all the 4chan 1st howlers have been making, which is “4chan invented the FIM fandom out of nothing all on its own”, which is complete and utter horseshit.”  
“memeing— about the show in late 2010 and early 2011 completely independent of anything happening on 4chan. The idea that 4chan was the single solitary starting point of the fandom and sole source of its propagation”  
No one made the claim that it was the “patient zero” of the fandom. This is a claim you’re inventing through thin air to attempt to justify non-involvement from 4chan. However, it very likely was the biggest contributor to its booming popularity. On top of this, no one is exactly going to state where they came from on 4chan, just like people outside of the site aren’t inclined to say “I saw this on 4chan”. And for on-site images to point out a date for some of the earliest posts: >>1558903 >>1505064 >>83805 (premiere)  
Statistics on amount of posts on the boards: >>1025075  
@Amm  
If you read ‘birthplace’ as ‘the first place of primary significance that catapulted the popularity of the show’ then it is.
It was pretty much universally regarded as THE origin by the MLP:FiM fandom at large.
To make it 100% crystal clear what the focus even is, these statements are what I’m referring to. Funny how you accuse others of using a straw man, while you do it yourself.
TexasUberAlles
Duck - If report count was a score, he'd have the biggest score
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Lunar Supporter - Helped forge New Lunar Republic's freedom in the face of the Solar Empire's oppressive tyrannical regime (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab

Logged-In User Who’s Scared Of Being Held Accountable For Their Terrible Opinions #AB6F  
The “evidence” is “you actually bothering to pay attention to all the people who chime in on these idiotic derails to say that they didn’t get here through 4chan”. You have made an extraordinary claim and provided some extraordinarily lame “evidence” consisting largely of “4chan made some memes, Case Closed [dusts off hands and walks away]” and completely ignoring anyone who points out that My Little Pony fandom had already existed for 26 years before FIM debuted. Your nonsensical claim of “the fandom started on 4chan” is a self-reinforcing question-begger because every time someone pops up with some variation of “yo, I got here through some means which did not involve 4chan at all” you dismiss it out of hand because raisins.
 
@Armagedonus  
At no point have I ever claimed that 4chan didn’t have a significant impact on the rapid spread of FIM fandom into unexpected demographics. Feel free to scroll back through eight years’ worth of my comments to find some example of that.
Background Pony #AB6F
@TexasUberAlles  
Ah yes. Because this ad hominem
all you want is for Derpibooru to be a safe space where you can snowflake out over dumb nazi shit
doesn’t scream “booty blasted” at all. I just shortened what you said to a snarky one-liner because you constantly argue like a caricature. Not to mention that it’s not a straw man if it’s your own words.  
“Wow, you didn’t even manage to finish the sentence before murdering your own point with irony.”  
Because it was already posted here. @FamusJamus Or did you just mysteriously forget that it was posted? Though I’m sure it was just a mere coincidence that you forgot. 4chan’s “side” was put up, and now you gotta counter with actual evidence.
TexasUberAlles
Duck - If report count was a score, he'd have the biggest score
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Lunar Supporter - Helped forge New Lunar Republic's freedom in the face of the Solar Empire's oppressive tyrannical regime (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab

The point where you have to prop up the Stuttering Strawman to yell at is the point you should have had a Snickers or something instead of pounding on the keyboard.
 
@Background Pony #AB6F  
The point has been that the fandom wouldn’t be what it is today, nor as big, if it didn’t spread far and wide through 4chan versus elsewhere/other means
 
That is… completely not the point that all the 4chan 1st howlers have been making, which is “4chan invented the FIM fandom out of nothing all on its own”, which is complete and utter horseshit.
 
Which, again, could have (and is likely) due to 4chan
But I guess we’ll never know it wasn’t 4chan since you don’t like posting proof
Wow, you didn’t even manage to finish the sentence before murdering your own point with irony.
 
…Just to make the subtext text, I’m mocking you for making an unfounded assertion literally in the same breath as accusing someone else of having made unfounded assertions.
Background Pony #AB6F
What, the comment where […] surveyed the site and laid the foundation.
I like how you harp on about “b-but muh other meet-ups and small group convos”. The point has been that the fandom wouldn’t be what it is today, nor as big, if it didn’t spread far and wide through 4chan versus elsewhere/other means.
Love them, hate them, be indifferent to them, but /b/ and /co/ had a huge effect on what the fandom would become.
And they’re right. The online streams + the massive activity on the board(s) both shaped the culture on top of making it well-known. Not to mention that it was an untapped market that likely made hasbro much more cash, which is a big motivator for a company to keep them making the product.  
“How do you think channers even found out about it in the first place?”  
Except, you can’t definitively say [without proof] what came first or how things were actually found out about by all these people. They could’ve found it like everyone else did.  
“The show was instantly […] fandom stuff.”  
Which, again, could have (and is likely) due to 4chan. Whether it was spreading it or posting it in the first place. But I guess we’ll never know it wasn’t 4chan since you don’t like posting proof~
 
without anyone saying mean things to you about it.
Except, literally no one was saying this. Everyone is still free to say what they want, and rule #0 would still be in effect. And absolutely no one was calling for a rule #0 repeal. Quit with the misrepresentation. But we know you won’t~
 
@Armagedonus  
Wait a minute, that got removed? I thought that was a clever joke though. Damn.
Armagedonus
Duck - Thinks minorities should make their OWN ponds if they want to swim.
The End wasn't The End - Found a new home after the great exodus of 2012

Commieboutism might even be on the same page as a valid argument if any of you people were actually arguing to keep both, or to get rid of both.
 
I think you misread his post. I think he wants derpibooru to keep both.  
You’re not, all you want is for Derpibooru to be a safe space where you can snowflake out over dumb nazi shit without anyone saying mean things to you about it.
 
But if you ban Aryanne then you cannot criticize her or nazism under her pictures!  
“Freedom of speech” also means “freedom to criticize Aryanne”.  
DO you not remember that there were 2 pictures of Aryanne aiming luger onto her head saying “follow your leader”? Both were removed because of “rule 0” if I remember correctly.  
Do YOU wanna be banned for telling “nazis” to kill themselves?
oddball 623A
Non-Fungible Trixie -
Wallet After Summer Sale -

@Background Pony Number 17  
I wouldn’t mind if blatant communist imagery were removed, either. Images of communists stuffing people into ovens and saluting their symbol of opression simply aren’t as prevalent on this site.
 
Aryanne doing those things, however, is.
TexasUberAlles
Duck - If report count was a score, he'd have the biggest score
Silly Pony - Celebrated the 13th anniversary of MLP:FIM, and 40 years of MLP!
Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
Lunar Supporter - Helped forge New Lunar Republic's freedom in the face of the Solar Empire's oppressive tyrannical regime (April Fools 2023).
Roseluck - Had their OC in the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
Flower Trio - Helped others get their OC into the 2023 Derpibooru Collab.
King Sombra - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of The Crystal Empire!
A Lovely Nightmare Night - Celebrated the 12th anniversary of MLP:FIM!
Princess of Love - Extra special version for those who participated in the Canterlot Wedding 10th anniversary event by contributing art.
Tree of Harmony - Drew someone's OC for the 2022 Community Collab

@Background Pony #AB6F  
What, the comment where they apparently think memes are what makes a fandom? I’ve already pointed and laughed at that concept plenty of times, I guess I missed that one. People getting together and interacting over a shared love of something is what makes a fandom, and sorry-not-sorry, 4chan absolutely did not invent that all by its lonesome, lonesome self. There were old school Pony fans all around the internet organizing viewing parties for the Series Premiere, do you think they went “…Nah.” and stopped talking about it forever as soon as Transformers: Prime came onscreen? How do you think channers even found out about it in the first place? The show was instantly popular and people immediately started flooding Youtube with clips and nerding out about it in forums and chatrooms and blogs… y’know, fandom stuff.
 
Getting in on the ground floor of something new doesn’t mean you personally surveyed the site and laid the foundation.
 
@Background Pony Number 17  
Commieboutism might even be on the same page as a valid argument if any of you people were actually arguing to keep both, or to get rid of both. You’re not, all you want is for Derpibooru to be a safe space where you can snowflake out over dumb nazi shit without anyone saying mean things to you about it.
 
Take your own advice and filter derpibooru dot org from your bookmarks and go back to 4chan where you can squee over dumb nazi shit all you want and nobody will ever hurt your feelings for it.