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Okay y’all, this is a conversation better suited for our forums- specifically the Pony forums. Feel free to start a new thread there, but these comments have become far off topic.
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@Background Pony #BD76
I dont know who u are and why your so offended about me stating the truth but relax take a chill pill no one is Finna get in a argument with u anon lol
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@Background Pony #3E09
I see you changed your replie, but yeah, it’s just a kids show, we don’t need to think so much about it. It’s more funny making a story that uses those questions instead of trying to see every error in that series.
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@CORDZ2000
At least she aint a backstabing hypocrite like someone else we know…
And considering you openly supported entrapment. Shows wonders about that statement.
But in all fairness MAYBE after 1000 years of having the same continious way of surviving can make really not suceptible to change and fearful of change. Just saying not everything is black and white (same arguement you used to defend someone….)
You know just saying. Maybe a deeper look?
Also in case someone drops that stupid “pshychopath” arguement. Pshychopaths do not have moments.
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@Background Pony #3E09
1 - Someone can agree with people who hates but at least have a point.
2 - Isn’t the same an reinterpretation of Wonderland that a pseudo-sequel of Disney’s Wonderland.
4 - I compared with Wonderland not because of the randomness, it’s more because their worlds aren’t designed for epic stories, just for another type of stories unlike Narnia where since book 1 is epic.
Background Pony #3E09
I dunno about Doug Walker, but I feel Mystery Science Theater 3000 hit the nail in the head on this one:
“And if you are wondering how they eat and breathe
And other science facts
Just repeat to yourself: “It’s just a show
I should really just relax.”
All of you are putting more thought into this than the writers did.
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If she were a queen who really cared about her people, she would encourage alternative projects not to depend on the love of other creatures because in the long run it would harm the entire species.
For what it’s worth, “Frenemies” established that the love-draining power works on non-sapient creatures, which would have been a practical solution for keeping the hive fed without antagonizing anyone who could fight back.
Chrysalis is power hungry doing her song she talks about how fun it will be to control everyone. She wants to feed the changelings so she can use them to gain power but she ultimately doesn’t care about them. The fact that she stays a villain who wants to conquer equestria without the hive shows that. People thinking chrysalis is a loving mother doing everything for her hive is in the same lane as someone watching all of breaking bad and thinking Walt did everything for his family. Difference is at least Walt has legitimate moments showing he cares about his family, chrysalis doesn’t just cute fanart that gets disillusioned from reality. A chrysalis reformation would be interesting but we shouldn’t downplay or go against what the story is portraying to do it.
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@GrimChariot
More than how to make it works, it’s “how the hell make it works without destroying what means MLP?” That is the biggest problem, they should make MLP as if they were fables with morals, not epic stories, since from the beginning, the control of the stars of Celestia and Luna in addition to the presence of a draconequus would have to receive much more attention from part of enemies instead of things like elements of harmony or friendship.
It’s like how nostalgia critic said about Tim Burton’s Alicia, you can’t make an epic story with her because of the elements that drive Wonderland, being a lore not so focused on wars but a lore focused on being an eccentric city with an eccentric government, nothing serious but functional for the original story.
There is a lot of work to be done on the lore, but i don’t think Hasbro really doesn’t want it to stray too far from what made the series successful in the first place, giving a scenario where it’s just “I want but I don’t want to” rather than fitting into one world.
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@Jacalope
The sad part is everything falls flat because they couldn’t make up their minds on how to do it.
The Umburum are an excellent concept that’s kneecapped for similar reason, and it just made the Crystal Empire raise more questions.
They needed to either pick a harder world building effort and work the stories with it, or have not done any hard magic systems at the onset.
At the same time I can’t blame them for it, the comics had no show bible to work off of for it and the show itself straddled the line on occasion as well.
@DoctorWTF
Yeah, we’ve seen them feed on other things but with the barren state of the hives area it seems like the intent was they tried that and it wasn’t sustainable.
Which actually makes the sudden growth of the local flora and animals around the hive make sense, with the infinite love(deus ex or not) they no longer created the dead zone around the spire.
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@DoctorWTF
Auch… oh my god XD. I hope that at least it is that those species do not give as much love as you think, because if not … I think that all the writers of the franchise seem to agree that Chrysalis does not make the best decisions for her people.
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If she were a queen who really cared about her people, she would encourage alternative projects not to depend on the love of other creatures because in the long run it would harm the entire species.
For what it’s worth, “Frenemies” established that the love-draining power works on non-sapient creatures, which would have been a practical solution for keeping the hive fed without antagonizing anyone who could fight back.
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@GrimChariot
The formula could be improved, but also if you are right that it is not the definitive solution. But it is a sign that alternatives can be found so as not to use the most violent methods until they are necessary.
And you are right that the MLP world really has many flaws as a world when it tries to make epic stories, many things have strong implications but really the world is designed more for slice of life with fantasy than for epic stories.
I think taking MLP too seriously hurt the show a lot. It was no longer the warm series about friendship and I think that’s why the G5 movie was a movie that had so much self-awareness in a simple story that it didn’t pretend to be anything bigger.
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@Jacalope
It’s shown those potions and effects are hazardous to the subjects health and mind as well as potentially dangerous to those in the suroundings in the same episode.
The fact it’s also very close to the idea that the cocoons keep people in a state of euphoria while they’re kept as a larder is also part of that issue.
Artificially created love is already being put to use, but for one reason or another can’t be fully relied upon.
And they try to make things make sense repeatedly-the comics double down on this to mixed results, and also tried to pull the “if god wills it so be it” trope with Twilights attempts to understand Pinkie.
In regards to that the show wanted to have it’s cake and eat it to, as the saying goes.
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@GrimChariot
Well, Chrysalis and her army easily captured the mane6 and the princess and put them in her throne in the season 6 finale, so, isn’t really necessary having more of that material to make the extortion.
And i said magical creatures because they maybe can learn to use the spells and then, maybe find a solution to their problem.
And about not making sense… dude, if they add common sense and science in MLP, they could have created pills to replicate the chemicals that love releases because after all, emotions are chemical reactions in the brain, and then, if they learns about magic and chemistry, they would have solved the trouble at least temporaly and avoids unnecessary invasions.
Actually, in the same series there has been the episode the the CMC with a potion makes Big Mac and their teacher fell in love, if exist that type of potions, then, the changelings only needs to steal information (in case the ponies don’t want to share information) to have less violent ways to get love.
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@Jacalope
The issue with the throne is less that she couldn’t use the existing material, and more we don’t have any way of knowing if more could be produced or if the removal of more material would damage the effect as much as it’s destruction did via Starlight and a rock
If more could be made and/or the thrones finite material spread for equal effect, I agree that could work.
But with what happened to it and how it was treated later on in the show I think it’s safe to say neither was an option if protecting the core hive was also a goal.
Changelings are magical but they’re still living creatures, they aren’t ill and needing to be cured.
They need love as food, thats just what they do much like carpenter ants need the fungus they cultivate.
They like everyone else came to the same conclusion that love was a finite resource much akin to a grain silo.
Yes, more can be added/grown to fill it, but it’s not infinite so much as replenish-able.
The fact two changelings could effectively pass the same love back and forth and create more is essentially a perpetual motion machine and that doesn’t make sense from any level, and would’ve likely had the same level of expectations in pony studies as it did elsewhere.
In universe the love is infinite even as food thing was a deus ex machina, irregardless of it being better for them it was a hand wave to something to justify the result of the entire hive save Chrysalis reforming.
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@Lord You Know Who
Wait, why asking me that? Equestria really don’t deserved to que conquered. It’s blaming the victim of 3 Chrysalis attacks (okay, the third one can blame Discord for that but the other 2 not) and turning them into the evil one. And it’s not like the other invaders actually cares about Celestia and Luna’s control of the sun and the moon or everything else, they are just regular villains who wants to conquest lands or have personal troubles.
Villains like Storm King when he knows about he now can control the sun and the moon, he just played with that instead of see all the implications about it.
@GrimChariot
Chrysalis literally had an anti-magic throne, so, i think her extorsion don’t sounds like an impossible idea. Also, the changelings had a justification but you know having justification don’t mean their actions can be right or even pragmatic.
Look at Ozymandias in Watchmen, he had an justification but his plan is actually pretty stupid because if people discovers about his plan, there will be a great disaster. Chrysalis plans aren’t pragmatic, are stupid.
Also, why they didn’t steal spell books to trying to find a cure? changelings are magical.
GrimChariot

The average equestrian isn’t were these complaints are leveled.
I’ll readily admit Chrysalis winning would be horrible.
But I can also admit as an outside observer she’s not entirely unjustified in her hatred.
In truth it’s stranger still every other nations seemingly a-okay with bowing to Celestia unless theres some greater underlying reason then friendship.
If your friend routinely puts you at risk for their own gain thats not exactly a healthy relationship and a nation would eventually demand action be taken if it happens more the twice if a benefit of the doubt is being given.
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Are we really going the “Equestria is an awful place that deserves to be conquered/destroyed” route? Did we watch the same show?
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@Jacalope
I’m not defending Chrysalis.
She has problems.
But I can see why attempting anything with Equestria is a zero sum game, because we’ve seen what happens when something conquers Equestria.
The entire world bends over backwards to save them, partially due to Harmony.
Chrysalis is no more capable of extorting or convincing Equestria of anything then the sun is of smiling. And the fact we constantly have Equestria doing whatever it wants no matter the consequences much like Discord is something that must be taken into account for these things, regardless of whether you care or not.
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@GrimChariot
I said extort, not convince. Making a deal that could benefit both of you, you know, politics at least in Celestia’s side. Meanwhile Discord just needs Fluttershy to be happy, would be angry but everything goes fine.
And, it’s really sad the only way to defend her is attacking others, i don’t care what does Celestia, Discord or anybody else, I’m funny that with Chrysalis everything is justified.
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@Jacalope
Would you trust Discord, or a nation that’s hoarded magic and power on top of controlling the sun and moon for centuries?
Celestia’s proven herself willing to use entire nations as bargaining chips for what she wants, Discord is even by this threads own admission prone to endangering and harming everything around him for nothing but amusement amd Cadence again wouldn’t have any better solution that wouldn’t involve forcing the Changelings to limit their population to allow them to feed of others safely.
None of those are anything good and would be a good reason to not trust the leaders of that nation as far as you can throw them in any context seeing as they don’t have anyones best interest at heart except their personal agenda’s.
Something thats apparently only bad when the other side does it.
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@GrimChariot
>She’s pragmatic
>She instead of extort Discord, Cadence or even Celestia to make them work in a solution to her people, just decides to invade countries meanwhile she ignores the magic she can use to solve the problems.
Saying Chrysalis is pragmatic at this point is like saying Discord is an order creature.
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@Jacalope
The difference is in Daybreakers the solution didn’t spit in the face of the preconceived laws every other form of magic abided by and has for millennia.
Thorax stumbled onto something not even Starswirl, Twilight or Cadence, the literal Alicorn of love, would’ve because attempting it would be from every perspective a waste of resources.
And if Cadence already knew and did not share the information ala Celestia refusing to acknowledge the threat if Nightmare Moon when confronted on it, that’s a strike on both parties.
Chrysalis cared about her people, she wasn’t kind about it and until she started going off the deep end and put revenge against the ones who ruined her plans she’d kept the changelings in a stable state for basically as long as Celestia had Equestria.
Without the entire planet effectively bending over backwards for her to succeed.
Chrysalis is pragmatic, sharp and unwilling to compromise, these aren’t inherently bad.
What they do is prevent one from agreeing to a way life that much as G5 seemingly supports, eventually ended the Changelings or forced them back into their previous methods, or attempting to use limited resources on something every other person would agree with existing information is not only impossible but a direct breach of the laws governing the power in question.
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@GrimChariot
Thorax solves the Changeling’s problem like in “Daybreakers”, a solution that nobody thinked it can works because they only believed in a status quo that in a future would became into an autodestructive status quo.
If she were a queen who really cared about her people, she would encourage alternative projects not to depend on the love of other creatures because in the long run it would harm the entire species.
And something that I thought recently was in the scene of the various Fluttershy surrounding Discord, if she was investigating the mane6 and other characters to impersonate them and she sees that Discord exists, why doesn’t she extort Discord to solve the problem of the love?
That would give a much faster solution and she has all the elements to be able to make such a deal.
Chrysalis is not really a queen who has to make difficult decisions to prosper her reign, she is a psychopath who uses the problems of her people like an excuse to destroy civilizations.
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@Jacalope
I dislike Celestia to the same degree and hold she’s undeserving of the praise and worship she receives.
And of course Chrysalis wouldn’t take any other solution because canonically nothing ever showed that love could somehow be an infinite power source.
The fact sharing love somehow increases the amount held when on gives it away in the context of magic and food is something that exists solely as a deus ex machina.
It makes no sense from anything else we’ve seen involving energy used with or as magic prior in the show.
To add: all prior comics are partial canon at best and the IDW changeling comics are often told from Chrysalis’ mouth to another character or from a Changeling disguised as her in a very specific case.
Most of them aren’t canon and some are inherently untrustworthy.
And while the Starlight timeline shows her killing people she’s doing the exact same stint as Nightmare Moon, Sombra and Discord.
Dealing with threats.
Which to add-the fact Celestia had no effective plan B for anything, excluding Chrysalis and maybe Tirek, shows more so how utterly incompetent Celestia is against a threat when she isn’t being guided like a pawn by the elements.
@CORDZ2000
“I’m not always a mass murderer, sometimes I just scare people!” Is not an excuse and you very well know that.