@Niggoslav_Krawczyk
 
Other BP here; when I look through thread(s) arguing over humanshy or when these users go to artists’s pages, I see what you mean.

@Background Pony
 
>(just call it Hootershy, it doesn’t have the right to be seen as the standard and close-to-canon humanization of her)
 
It has the right, what gives YOU the right to say otherwise?

@Background Pony  
And as i’ve said before, I’ve seen their true faces, experienced it a few times even, feminism’s root causes lie in direct opposition to equality and freedom for all humanity. Just because they use friendlier sounding terms than the Klan doesn’t make them any different than the Klan, only they focus upon gender and phenotype. The only thing they seem to be able to successfully do anymore is infringe upon or ban the rights of others.  
It’d do well to pay attention to the bigheads with big egos, since they determine what and where funding drive donations actually go to.

@Background Pony
 
>”no u”, “if I deny it enough times I will be correct”
 
Deny, “no u?” M8 I heaven’t run out of things to say. But it looks like you have.

@Background Pony
 
@Background Pony
 
@Background Pony
 
Oh great, we’ve reached that point were your only arguments are “no u”, “if I deny it enough times I will be correct” or “I’ve read you like a book so I know what you’re talking about more than you”
 
Fortunately this makes it easier to see that it’s not worth it discussing with you.

@Background Pony
 
>Nobody is hating Hootershy because she looks hot
 
Again, people aren’t all the same. What you call “hot” is again, a great manipulation tactic where you want to better prove your point on anyone sexualizing her. And people are hating humanshy because of how she looks. It pisses me off greatly when these idiots go on other artists’s deviant pages and start complaining any time they see humanshy.

@Background Pony
 
Again, humanshy or what you call “hootershy,” makes perfect sense, like it or not. I’ve discussed this before, many anons have either acted as silly as you or admit they have a flat chest fetish. They know logically humanshy makes much more sense.

@Background Pony
 
>Fluttershy just reached the minimum WP to make it work  
>Believing that she suddenly went from 5 to something like 10 is wishful thinking
 
We don’t know how well she flew. Read my comments m8. You’re the only one here with wishfull thinking.
 
>Hot air balloons are supposed to be light, you know
 
A hot air ballon, with other ponies in it, being taken horizontally is still hard. They may hover but that doesn’t not mean they can be pull around by tiny objects so easily. Plus before rara and ponk we on rd, FS still flew near dash, then sped up like we saw, and got close enough for AJ to get dash when the 2 other ponies were on dash.
 
>Any attempt to make sense of the part where Fluttershy gets angry is futile, it falls under Rule of Funny much like every reality-breaking thing Pinkie does.
 
I knew it; you’re ignoring all her canonic moments that are clear proof she’s not weak physically, you say they’re nothing or just say “it’s funny so ignore it.” And you’re still not addressing other eps I mentioned like lesson zero.
 
It’s all in her head m8.

@Niggoslav_Krawczyk
 
Also, do NOT compare Jayne Mansfield to “Humanshy” (just call it Hootershy, it doesn’t have the right to be seen as the standard and close-to-canon humanization of her). Jayne may have been born with it, and shouldn’t be hated for it, but Hootershy is merely a skewed attempt to humanize Fluttershy. Nobody is hating Hootershy because she looks hot (you’re the one who started throwing out “jealous feminists” claims) but because it’s basically people unnecessarily conceptualizing a perfectly fine character as looking hot for the sake of pleasing their biased opinions and taking it as fact. She wasn’t born with it, that’s just what those people would like to think.

@Niggoslav_Krawczyk
 
Ignoring that you’re calling me a deluded fool for the sake of feeling like you’re right, you’re basically saying “better an idiot than an idiot”.
 
Look, you’re the one telling that those people in the top are supposed to be examples of feminist because they said so. I’m saying that feminism isn’t supposed to be that, and that instead of giving feminism a bad name, you could help by not making the same mistake again. Rally, you’re the one being deluded by what the “big heads” have to say.
 
 
@Background Pony
 
Opinions can be based on reasons. Fluttershy just reached the minimum WP to make it work. Believing that she suddenly went from 5 to something like 10 is wishful thinking, Also, flying decently=/=being particularly good at flying. I’m making the point that she’s not a particularly great flier for her to be called strong, not that she’s a bad flier. Also note that you brought up the word weak and attributed it to what I was saying. Aren’t those called manipulation tactics or something?. And you’re still ignoring the moral of the episode.
 
Hot air balloons are supposed to be light, you know? and it still only offered horizontal resistance to Fluttershy, like AJ and Twi. Not to mention that Fluttershy was flying in a relatively straight line, making it more easy for her to accelerate. RD on the other hand was weighed down horizontally and vertically, making it more difficult for her to keep a steady flight pattern, ans she was still ahead of them. Any attempt to make sense of the part where Fluttershy gets angry is futile, it falls under Rule of Funny much like every reality-breaking thing Pinkie does.

I still think Hurricane missed an epic opportunity to have Flutterpony Rarity again. I just think it would have been more feelsy/have a better/dual moral if even at her hardest Fluttershy couldn’t make it…but then suddenly the water was taken up anyway. And lo and behold, winged Rarity in the middle of the pegasi.
 
 
@Background Pony  
Better an idiot than a deluded fool, any old literary giant would tell you that. Also probably Claudius.
 
The top people are all in charge of organisations like NOW and Equality Now, and the bottom are world leaders or literary scholars they’ve rallied against. Plus Humanshy and Jayne Mansfield who is there as a real world equivalent. (no matter their opinions or personalities they are both hated for things they were born with)

@Background Pony
 

 
What she did at the end, whether it be 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, or 30 wb would all be headcanon; but it’s safe to says she flew well and is not a weak flyer. Even in her past, it was all fear that made her flying not so well, not that she just “can’t” as if she’s physically weak or something which seems like what you’re trying to argue.
 
In RTH she still flew with the weight of an object much bigger than her, simple. RD had weight too after rara and ponk were on top of rd. After fluttershy stopped crying and got herself together she flew and caught up to dash, she was still near when dash was flying with the cloud, keep that in mind. So this all doesn’t change anything; you’d need to be anything BUT weak to do what she did.
 
And as I’ve said, what you believe is weak, physically, is false. Mentally she must overcome fear, and at that point, you’ll canonically see she isn’t physically weak.

@Background Pony
 
>something you keep forgetting  
>Watch the entire eps m8.
 
Pfft. You sure like to play smart-ass, don’t you?
 
The average WP required to make it work was 10. Thunderlane (who can be considered strong), without training, managed 9.3. Fluttershy, after training (which did include getting over her fear), managed 2.3 (after which she lost it again). She did manage to get to 5 at the end, but considering her previous track, it’s very unlikely that she managed much more than that. Really, the whole moral of the episode was that anyone’s contribution is important, no matter how small (e.g Fluttershy’s)
 
Moving around someone’s limbs is really easy when said someone is more than willing.
 
And RD was being weighed down by Rarity and Pinkie Pie. Twilight and AJ were on a hot balloon, which completely supported their weight vertically.
 
And if you feel like ignoring the explanation I gave earlier, there’s still the matter that we’re just talking about whether she’s physically weak or not, what matters is that she seems weak (not just physically, but mentally as well).

@Background Pony
 
At the end it was stuck at 795. After she got over her fear, something you keep forgetting, she flew well and caused it to work. She flew at least 5 wb or more. Watch the entire eps m8.
 
She gave the bear a massage right? Look at how she did it, with a creature that big, and take note how she wasn’t “full of adrenaline.”
 
In RTH (return to harmony) she flew a hot air ballon, filled with some of her friends trying to catch up with rainbow dash, a really fast flyer who was on a cloud. You’d need to be anything BUT weak to do that.
 
And again, where are you getting delicate from? Mentally she must work on her fears and develop more confidence. She is not physically weak, just because she’s may not like a joke doesn’t mean she is physically weak. Her fears are what make her seem weak, and canonically we see she is NOT weak when she isn’t scared or gets over her fear(s).

@requiem-dirge
 
The people I was arguing with had something better to say than this.

@Background Pony  
…or, you could just let us have our fun…

@Background Pony
 
Hurricane Fluttershy: Her wing power was still below average, even with hard training and connfidence her WP was 2.3. That alone should make my point.  
Lesson Zero: She was just massaging a willing bear.  
RTH: Rule of Funny
 
 
@Niggoslav_Krawczyk
 
You’re an idiot. You’re really just targeting a select group of people to discredit an idea. I don’t who the first people are and what they’ve done, but if they just hate on a group of women for what they like or how they act, then they just aren’t feminist (or maybe they are, and it’s just you who is misinterpreting what they’ve said). In short, you’re making the very one mistake I was talking about before.
 
 
@Background Pony
 
Pinkie Pie noted that a simple joke could be harmful to her. Even to vent off frustration, she couldn’t manage to kick a vase, and delicateness goes hand-in-hand with gracefulness, which is part of the appeal Photo Finish saw in her. That is already more effective as a way to portrait Fluttershy than whatever “motherliness” people think she has.

@Background Pony
 
>delicate
 
And to add; where’d you get is word from? And how does that change anything?

 
 

 
These are feminists
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
These are women feminists hate. Whether because they’re jealous or want to share their misery caused by failed relationships or just plain cattiness is anyone’s guess. It is OK to shoot at anyone in that first group, especially in order to defend anyone in that second group. :D  
In fact you might even get paid handsomely for doing so, depending on how one’s nation values its educational backbone and cultural achievements!

@Background Pony
 
A lot of what you think is “weak” about fluttershy is simply in her mind. If you watch the show you’ll see what I mean. Whether it be in “hurricane fluttershy,” “lesson zero,” “RTH” etc; she’s shown to be stronger than many, like you, think. Making her physically weak makes absolutely no sense, which is why many think that’s just indirect b8 in many cases.

@Background Pony
 
That’s what you said but the implications were clear, you were relating me to butthurt people merely because I disagreed with something . You should take a look at the Hootershy tag and see how many artist take the “motherly” curvy Fluttershy and milk it for all it’s worth. And Fluttershy’s supposed to be graceful, delicate, innocent. Those are traits that can be portrayed physically, unlike motherliness (seriously, big breasts=/=motherly, that only works one way, and with actual mothers)
 
 
@Niggoslav_Krawczyk
 
Then you better make a line between feminism and whatever you are saying. Feminism is supposed to promote equality, and that includes all body-types. And I don’t hate curvy body-types (quite the opposite, and I think other people against Hootershy can say the same), but the idea of Hootershy is basically applying a curvy body to the wrong person for bad reasons. Something like a waste of a fine body.
 
(what are Smuckers tho?)

@Niggoslav_Krawczyk
 
Can you rephrase that? I’m having a hard time understanding that comment hehe…

@Background Pony
 
There are people that anger over well-endowed fluttershy, people who react very negatively towards something is called “butthurt.” And I said you seem, not are one of them. And when you say, “the hottest possible” that’s a great manipulation tactic you got there; again, just because she’s well-endowed doesn’t mean she “super hot,” not everyone things the same way, you know? And I still don’t understand how this doesn’t fit her perfectly.

@Background Pony  
Because it encourages those sorts of commenters to hate and disrespect females who aren’t stereotypical ‘butch/fatso’ body types, anyone not aligning along a few basic body types is considered ‘not a real woman’ as Hootershy up there’s hatedom shows.  
Never seen a movement that ran wholly on Smuckers before, but there you have it.