@JJMDude
 
Also if there weren’t so many rumours being talked about I probably would have never seen this coming. xD
 
Starswirl was probably more into books and that kind of stuff rather than friends like the Twilight’s first times. He was probably like that crazy guy in Faust. (Dude hasn’t seen sunlight in ages)

@Kamarat  
What the fuck, who is in “rage mode” and how did you come to that conclusion?
 
Am I not allowed to say my piece without it sounding like I’m pounding away at my keyboard with furrowed-brows?
 
Don’t lump me in with the capslock douchebags, mmmkay?

@Sjogre  
That bit I sorta agree with. It doesn’t FEEL like an especially grandiose task, but I understand what they were going for. They were trying to put Twilight in a situation where she was largely alone and where her friends and town were at risk of losing a lot, including their selves, so to speak.
 
Really I think it looks so simple by design. I can’t speak to how effective it was, but I always got the feeling like it was SUPPOSED to be a simple answer, provided you could look at the question from the right perspective: the perspective of someone who UNDERSTOOD the value of friendship. Not just as something to be applied in the minor bits of everyday life, but as a staple of living and something that has value in the most bitter and serious of circumstances.
 
It was only this perspective that let Twilight see what Starswirl never could, because he undervalued what friendship meant when the chips were down. He might have seen it as having value, but he took one look at his spell and said, “there’s a time and place for this kid-stuff; THIS is the ADULT world.”
 
In that, I really don’t think the destiny-swap was meant to happen, nor that fixing it wasa task she was meant to be rewarded for. That, I believe, was incidental, and accidental. She came to an epiphany while fixing her own mistake, but the mistake wasn’t a necessity of the original plan.

@JJMDude
 
The problem is how they use the musicals. The musical parts could be used to skip parts that would take a lot longer if there weren’t a musical.
 
This usually do not apply to mlp, however in the finale, it was used as a means of speed boost so much. It is as if a content that could be given in 3 episodes were given in just one.
 
I like songs sometimes too, but if you give them just too much, like whenever I hope to see some dialogues, events, they got frustrating. They did also this too much in that episode. Whenever I wanted to watch normal dialogues, events in the episode, there, appeared another song :S It got really frustrating. When the episode ended I was like, “Where is the real episode now?” Because seriously, all I got is stuff happening in a fast and sometimes cheap way (as in plot) during songs.
 
Yes it was rushed, it felt rushed.
 
However, you might like the episode and it is ok. I really disliked as it had too many songs and felt rushed. I didn’t like songs that much either. But you don’t need to go “rage mode” here. Seriously, mlp is made by humans. It is not perfect and it will have it’s flaws. You should respect my opinion like I respect yours.

@Background Pony  
When the hell did I say that?
 
Honestly I think the story is flawed, but not enough worth getting legitimately upset over. And half of my POINT was about just how good the pacing IS.
 
I’m looking at the episode as a whole and not just as disparate elements. If you’re going to make an episode into a musical, you’d better make damn sure you have a good musical, or the point is lost. This episode won AWARDS for how well it did that.
 
I don’t know what you’re expecting me to say here. If your point is I don’t care about Twilight’s choice because the music is good, then you’ve just put words into my mouth.
 
It’s not a result of it being a musical that I think Twilight being presented a choice would have hurt. I don’t think the scene could work AT ALL if she (and the audience) was TOLD what was going to happen beforehand, and asked if she was okay with it. The dramatic tension would be lost. Suddenly you have this thoughtful, but overly long and considerably boring scene given the weight and excitement of what’s happening. It’s a hell of a lot more interesting for it to be a SURPRISE that she poofs into Ponyville with wings and gets told she’s a princess. I honestly think if we’d gone the “realistic” route with this, that the episode would have been CONSIDERABLY less for it.
 
I’m not saying there was NO way of doing this that could satisfy both, I’m just saying a worthy alternative has never been presented to me, and from a creative standpoint it feels like their choices were pretty justified.

@JJMDude  
The problem wasn’t Twilight’s solution. The problem was that Twilight was made a princess for only fixing her own mess.
 
Especially because she had accomplished more impressive and more relevant tasks multiple times throughout the series, making it a hugely anti-climatic time to do that.
 
It wasn’t even like she learned anything new in that episode, nor did she even apply old knowledge in a new way.

@Background Pony
 
Thank you kindly for not defending the mlp like your honour like some bronies do.
 
You deserve a brohoof /)

@JJMDude  
Let me give you a bit of perspective for you to see where everything is flawed: you are telling everyone you don’t care about the story nor you care about the pacing because you liked the songs.
 
Ergo, any counter-argument to this effect makes your opinion be spurious and useless. Now stop being so angry at the fact people have reason to dislike it.

@Kamarat  
I’m saying to be consistent with your criticism, as it can’t be rushed and drawn-out at the same time.
 
I don’t see the problem with Twilight fixing the spell with a pinch of inspiration. It’s not like I haven’t solved outstanding problems with a sudden burst of comprehension.
 
Also, citing how many people agree with you isn’t how you convince someone. That’s and argument ad populum fallacy.
 
What I WILL agree with is that it should have taken Twilight obviously longer to cure the swap, and been expanded into two episodes (upon which we could have done without the WRETCHED episode, “Games Ponies Play”).
 
That said, I enjoy the consistent musical nature of the episode, and two episodes admittedly would have harmed the pacing unless they made up two additional songs just to fill time.
 
The pacing of the current episode is PERFECT in the context of a musical, and I wouldn’t have TOUCHED Celestia’s Ballad, with that having been such a beautiful and breathtaking scene. It can be argued that Twilight was never granted a choice in the matter… but I don’t see how they could have gotten out of that one. If they stopped dead to explain to Twilight what was going to happen and let her refuse, it would have killed the pace dead and snuffed out the emotional crescendo they were building towards. Sometimes, in the question of “style vs substance” … style has to win.

@JJMDude  
What doesn’t make sense is your reply. Yes and it was obviously rushed and I don’t even need to discuss this. I know lots of people who would agree with this.
 
Cutie marks swap and Twilight repairs a spell of starswirld the bearded, come the fuck on don’t expect me to say this was well planned. It was obviously rushed. The whole cutie marks swap thing is cheap as fuck.

@Kamarat  
Jesus, do you have the attention span of a fucking five year old?
 
What about the episode was rushed, and what was wrong with the plot?
 
And how exactly can you downplay “Twilight becomes a Princess/Demigoddess,” by defining it as “giving Twilight wings” with a straight face?
 
Your criticism doesn’t even make SENSE. Simultaneously you’re arguing that it’s RUSHED and that “it’s just a pair of wings” and they’re devoting an episode to it. You can’t have it both ways! Either say it’s rushed, or say it’s dragging things out!

The only problem about this twicorn is the finale for me. Seriously, finale SUCKED. I never asked for a finale focused on a pair of wings. It was so obvious that the whole episode’s point was giving Twilight wings. They did it as quickly as possible. I mean if you are giving her wings, fine do it but what the hell man. What is this rushed episode with shitty plot and lots of musicals? I mean, I’m not even talking about this weird idea of (thanks hasbro) “giving Twilight wings”.

You say that like its a bad thing, they fucked it up, it may as well end already

@Niggoslav_Krawczyk  
You know, we have had our couple of discussions and outright internet fights, but when you are right, you are right.

@Background Pony  
It’s more like one is dead, one is an angry wrathful banshee, and it’s gnawing on the head of the one that’s still living and whining that it gets more attention because its crotchboobs aren’t rotted.

i kinda like alicorm twilight.

therefore she’s going to die

Why are you even commenting if you don’t care? Ignore it then.

@Background Pony  
That’s not even worthy of a response.
 
^…fuck…

Twilight is, and always will be, the worst pony ever.

fuck

bad feels all round mang, bad bad feels.

@Background Pony  
this.  
sad, but im pretty sure its true.
 
@Grieffon  
now thats interesting, although i do feel this season is gona be packed whit a lot of content.
 
but yeah, lets hope hasbro keeps milking the franchise (whithout harming the show) for a While longer.
 
oh, and @TSP, go watch EQG, sunset shimer lines alone are worth it, specialy the ones near the end.  
the reedeming scene is crapy though…

@d715  
>Turn khan white  
Yep. I’m done here. I am not even going to keep responding to this conversation, so don’t expect me to.

@Background Pony  
People are already turning on the reboot trek
 
I know i did namely because its already feels dated and why they turn Khan white
 
i mean tng episode the drumhead is a way better 9/11 episode than into darkness and it was made ten years before 9/11