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@RektPony  
feminist is not a bad word.
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@Alara Rogers  
Jesus, when did i mentioned that Discord is a predator or something? Feminists need to calm down. You are even triggeed by word “Disney” at this point.  
It’s not about power but about differences in both character and status, Beauty and Beast wasn’t about girl who wanted to gain advantage of the Beast dude. There would just be no interesting story if Cinderella was a rich princess from the start or Alladin was really a Prince Ali. It’s about clashing of the worlds, not power predators or village girls hoping to win on a lottery and get Prince/power for doing nothing like Cinderella’s sisters. I agree in this case it would be Discord who is a Cinderella because it is he who doesn’t belong to the circle of Fluttershy friends and Ponyville and is considered as “basic of jokes” instead a respected lord.
 
 
@Background Pony #0263  
Oh yes, Because Shining Armor/Cadance and Cranky/Matilda are considered a very dynamic and interesting couples and not generic at all.  
I think that even Flash/Twilight would be more interesting and more fit to Disney if they COMPLETELY didn’t effaced the differences between them and turn them both into highschool students with Twilight forgetting that she is an indepedent and matured Princess who is replacing Celestia in her duties as both protector of Equestria and mentor to younger generations of ponies. Instead making her a teenage girl focused on slumber parties and pretty boys who only gained her attention because of physical appearance.  
Now if it was Flash who traveled to Equestria and maybe even kept his look as a human, then that would most likely get some attention from the fandom. Or if at least made Twilight adjust to human world with something else than 3 visual gags and then making her behave like she was living there since birth. Fluttershy is his best friend and she never used him nor his powers for any gain or travel to another world. They even bought cakes instead him just conjuring them. So far her advantage of him is that he make her laugh and occupy her cottage once in a while.
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@Alara Rogers  
I was going to say something of a similar vein, but I think you’ve said it better. Two things I’d add are: 1) Of the married couples in MLP, all of them have been portrayed as equal in standing in their relationships, 2) Even Disney doesn’t even adhere to tropes like that anymore.
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@RektPony  
“I think that in Disney fashion, a powefull immortal lord would rather choose a poor, simple yet kind and fragile girl rather than equally high and mighty ruler of entire world”
 
But that’s the problem with Disney. In real life, men who make that choice are predators, or at the very least, very interested in controlling the women in their lives. Men who are secure in their power do, in fact, choose women of close to equal power.
 
That being said, Discord probably does not think of Fluttershy and Celestia in terms of their power at all. Fluttershy has much more power over Discord than Celestia does, and Discord, Lord of Chaos, does not do well with authority figures. He wouldn’t choose Fluttershy because he is a powerful immortal male choosing a poor, simple, fragile girl over an equally high and mighty woman; he would choose Fluttershy because Fluttershy consistently shows she cares about him and will treat him as an equal, while Celestia treats him more as a high-ranking subject.
 
I mean I actually think the fetishization our culture has for powerful men becoming romantically involved with vastly less powerful women is quite disgusting. Most people are attracted to their own level, and those who are attracted to someone “lower” than they are are usually looking for someone to push around. There’s nothing romantic or even nice about the prince marrying a humble village girl, in real life. But Discord doesn’t easily fit categories; from his perspective, Fluttershy is nearly all-powerful and Celestia is weak, because Discord can easily kick Celestia’s butt (and has) but Fluttershy is the one who chooses whether or not the Mane 6 will invoke the only weapon Discord is scared of. Fluttershy is the only one who can defeat Discord (or, more generously, Fluttershy and Twilight, since there’s always a chance Twilight would figure out a way to get around Fluttershy’s refusal), so Discord isn’t a predator seeking a weakling he can push around; in a Fluttercord relationship, he’s interested in one of the only ponies who can defeat him. That, in my opinion, is a lot more romantic and powerful than “ultra-powerful dude macks on weak little wussy girl”.
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@Masem  
So was he fired for Slenderman? I think Larson mentioned that at the other convention. Also no questions about Flash? Really? Why the shipping questions are given to VA’s when directors could have spilled something significant.
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@RektPony  
I was not able to make the Larson panel though I know there were some questions asked (a friend told me about one being about how he got a lot of flack from fans for Ponyville Confidential). Jim and Jayson did two great panels to explain their roles, and then the DHX/animation roles in the show’s productions.
 
Some points that are more to this question above:  
  • Jim Miller said S5E13 is one of his favorites of this season this is anticipated to be the Luna nightmare/Solar Flare episode in both his direction and how it came out.  
  • Slenderpony from “Pinkie Apple Pie” was not any of their idea, and the animator that included it got a “stern talking to”.  
  • They addressed Derpy as Derpy, but they were caution to talk anything about ep 100/S5E9 (this was just a few hours after the first trailers came out so they recognized not everyone had a chance to see them).  
  • They are told to product place toys, and they do their best to make them seem non-obvious in the story (eg the helicopter in Testing Testing)  
  • They were both hesistent about EQG about the same reaction the fandom had when it was announced.
     
    But any other spoilers or teases, they did not say, beyond that they love our appreciation for their work and it makes it feel like they are doing this right.
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@Masem  
Also by the way. Since Jim and Jayson were also present, and i think Larson too. Wasn’t there any Q&A with them about the show, characters and of course “extremely important” questions like the one with De Lancie?
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@RektPony  
Though it is a feedback cycle with the fandom (eg: Lyra + Bon-bon) - we see something, they read that and add more, that reinforces our headcanon, etc. And that’s where ep 100 reaches a sort of critical mass of that feedback loop.
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@Masem  
Yes, but it’s mostly a reference to pop culture, like Bioshock or Slenderman. With shipping is mostly just placing two ponies next to eachother or giving Spike a plush that look like Rarity. They can’t do much.
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@RektPony  
Fair enough point - Hasbro does review everything to prevent major upsets so yeah, the control is still on that side of production. But DHX does have a chance to sneak things in that aren’t so much story related, and that’s what we latch onto a lot as the fandom to create our own headcanons to be then destroyed by the show later :)
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@Masem  
They do but still, they are mostly limited to what directors and headwriter allow them to do. For example Sibsy was able to make a “dislestia tease” by not including Luna and Cadance into the flower shot. This was overlooked because it still served it’s main purpose: make amends for betrayal without giving it too much screentime and without interfering with outro song and also to set up the episode about Smooze where Fluttershy may assume that he will be invited after all. So animators and story board artists can only smuggle those things, they not really control it. They may have been more ship teases in Make Friends but Keep Discord, but directors and Hasbro may have just removed them to not create any more commotion.
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@RektPony  
Yeah, that’s what I’m trying to say. The words that come out of the ponies’ mouths are the writers, but nearly all plot advances made by visual means are part of the animation process, meaning that they at DHX ‘‘do’’ have some influence on the larger story elements.
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@Masem  
Jim Miller already explained on twitter that storyboard artist made the flower scene. He also said that he was responsible for Discord looking at his photo with Fluttershy when convinced by Tirek. So directors also have rather large input into the story.
 
 
@Ksardes  
I think that in Disney fashion, a powefull immortal lord would rather choose a poor, simple yet kind and fragile girl rather than equally high and mighty ruler of entire world
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Hmmm…  
Immortal ruler of Equestria or poor girl with zoo in her house.  
Hard decision…
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@Background Pony #CE96  
Actually, there’s more spots than you think:
 
Jim and Jayson gave a great rundown of their process from DHX’s side of things:  
  • Season stories are determined and written out by Meghan, MA Larson, and the other freelance writers. DHX has some input in terms of animation complexity but rarely factor in here. Obviously scripts here are checked by Hasbro before DHX gets the final script.  
  • At DHX, they start getting the VAs to do their lines and have Daniel provide the music. Simultaneously, the storyboardists start to plan out the direction, which they finalizing on timing with the VA and song recordings.  
  • It goes to layout, which is where a lot of what the fandom picks up in is added in. These people basically select the background and foreground scenery, creating the new backgrounds as necessary (like for Griffonstone), place the scripted characters in shot per the storyboard, and then add in background characters as required by the storyboardists, who unlikely have said anything specifically about which BG pony should be used in their notes. Everything is set to key frames timed to the VA recordings and major songs here. A rough cut of layout is sent to Hasbro to approve before going off to Top Draw in Asia.  
  • Top Draw does their thing, ending up with a large detailed Flash animation file. Some initial DHX review is done here and some back and forth to make sure the base animation is done right.  
  • It goes back to DHX who use After Effects to add light, shadows, magic auras, and other details that that program is better suited for. They also give that to Will Anderson to score the bg music and to the sound guys to add in any additional sounds.  
  • They then review the whole episode, trim out to get to 22.5 minutes, and try to catch for small errors (this is where they may miss the one-frame glitches). That gets sent to Hasbro for final approval.
     
    So while the major story elements are set by the writing staff and Hasbro, some of what DHX does has entered “our” collective canon which they subsequently reflect into the show to canonize it further. Derpy, obviously, which they know was something left over in layout or animation but felt no one would pick up on, is the prime example; Lyra and Bon-Bon as well. But to the situation of Discord x Celestia, while this was not addressed directly, it could easily have been a scene set in S4E26 by the storyboardists or layout needed to fill time on the end of Daniel’s song and not something necessarily written by Meghan.
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Just for the future reference if someone intended to really rustle Jimbos:
 
  1. THESE are the people whose opinion MAY influence the story in MLP FiM:  
    A)Headwriter  
    B)Directors  
    C)Hasbro executives and rest of the producers (whatever position Mike Vogel have right now)  
    D)Larson as the only exception from writing staff since he and Meghan form an old team and he serve as her right hand man and editor
     
    In lesser way and form (indirect)
     
    a)Overall rest of the writers suggest things that are mostly approved by the people above(even Larson’s ideas) but their preferences may still give an idea about shipping. Like AKR may have given an idea to match Pinkie with Cheese if the headwriter will like that idea based on her episode or if Hasbro execs want to bring Wierd Al back.  
    b)Ideas given by licensed comicbook writers, book writers and events in Equestria Girls are approved by the show staff and Hasbro and may also influence their take on handling characters in the future if they didn’t thought about it earlier. It serve as reading fanfics to them but since ideas belong to intelectual property of Hasbro, they don’t have to wory about copyrights.
     
    2)THESE are people whose opinion DON”T MATTER  
  • Voice actors  
  • Storyboard artists  
  • Animators  
  • Discovery Channel employers  
  • Fandom related people (journalists, reviewers, artists etc.)  
  • Fans
     
    Basically people whose job is to “write” the story can influence it. Those people who don’t, can’t do anything. And writers won’t listen to other group demands and advise or they would be accused of “pandering” or “stealing ideas”. Writers and Directors create the story and dynamic of the movie. Not actors or camera operators.
     
     
    @Red Cedar  
    That would be terrible idea. It’s the basic example of pandering that would influence the storyline and characters. Inside jokes and memes should stay in the fandom. Jan Animation should not influence Sweetiebelle development and Puffymixer fanbase should not influence Chrysalis character. Same with Dislestia shipping group. Especially since is all a joke for the voice actors.
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Spock x Kirk
 
Given that it was the literal origin of the term “slash”, I think you’re required by law to list the pair as “Kirk/Spock”.
 
@cheezedoodle  
bother the staff over a joke
 
I think it could be said to provide a public service by prompting a Word Of God that can be used to shut down all but the looniest of attempts to “legitimize” the ship.
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lol i sure started a passive aggresive thread with this one
 
guys take a joke
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@Masem  
At least he knows enough to have an actual opinion thats based on something.
 
But apart from all that… I hope there won’t ever be one of these shippings canonized regardless if its one I like or dislike.
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I will just leave this here…
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Well thank god someone was humorless enough to bother the staff over a joke.
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@Background Pony #523C  
He fully explained that he reads the scripts from start to finish as to get an idea of how his delivery should be. And it’s not that he likely doesn’t know the basic archetypes that the other Mane 6 have (eg enough to be able to talk to Twilight as if it was Q talking to Picard). But all the little details that we know end-to-end because of having watched episodes endlessly, he likely has little clue.
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@SaburoDaimando  
No that was my own Idea.
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Well, if De Lancie knows the Discord episodes (and I guess he does, afaik he promised in an interview to watch at least the episodes with his own character so he can better answer questions about Discord), then he must have at least an idea, whats going on between these characters. And I dont think he just randomly picked one… If I was asked this question I’d answer the same due to the Immortality thing and Discord and Celestia being enemys in the past who liked to tease each other. Well at least Discord did.
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@Gefreiter  
I would think they wouldn’t.
 
 
@Masem  
He’s not seen anything but his episodes? That’s weird.
 
 
@Masem  
I would think that it’d get pretty heated with some of the shippers in the Trek fandom(Namely Spock x Kirk).