I’m quite the idealist myself, honestly. Only the true sociopathic (un)holier than thou creeps are dead to me.
In my community, I try to find Christians who’d seem the most okay with my atheism, chat with them, tell them about my donations to the Red Cross and Salvation Army, etc. then come out with it, in a non-spectacular way. It usually works, and I’ve had some defending my neck from the more bigoted fellows.
Maybe location helps, but I try to inform everyone around me of the whole “we’re not so different, you and I.”
@Zombie. I know you don’t agree with me either but… Thanks. Zincy, the reason for all of that science is because good Christians know that God makes sense, and because He created the world, we see science as a way of knowing Him.
On a side note, someone can claim Christianity and not be a Christian.
You’re right Zombie. But does that mean we should just accept the status quo, or should we hope for forge a better tomorrow. Even if it be a pipe dream.
Sorry that was for Prof. As for Zincy… All I can offer you is my sincerest apology on their behalf. Christ calls us to be loving towards everyone, and those people who assault you because of your beliefs are wrong to do so. I can’t do anything about the fanatics. While I know it won’t mean much to you, I will pray for deliverance for you.
By that logic, it’s less Christianity and more who has power. Every religion (even atheism) has been shown to be quite docile at manageable numbers, yet “can” be oppressive and unjust. Once Christianity’s dominance falls, it’s successor will just do the same things.
Zombie, you have to look at the times those idea developed. It was because of Christanitys influence and size, odds are most of the folks making the discoveries would be Christian. Secondly the monks and upperclass were the only literate ones, and tended to be Christain. I’d say that those advances came from the people who made them, not the Christain faith.
lol. I’d like nothing better. You’re type is everywhere where I live. I’m adept at ignoring it if I’m so inclined.
If you would rather hide away and be free of my horrible and terrible judgements I’d be more than happy to oblige you.
It’ll be just like every family reunion I’ve ever been to. Grandma thinks the world is falling in on itself because guys kiss each other. I go in the garage, smoke a joint, and wait until it’s time to go home.
Did I say I was above them? But what choice do I have? Do I roll over and die for them, or do I stand up for myself. I will practice what i please, I will fuck who I please, and I will live how I please damn what any of those bastards say.
I know not every single one is my enemy. But their faith is.
I don’t really remember Christians lacking in the science department. Astronomy and physics were picked up quite well during the Middle Ages when the religion was arguably at its peak.
Morals from Christians is a bit mixed. At times I agree and at times I don’t, but I think that way with all, though those who worship the Bahai Faith seem to be pretty cool all around.
You and I should really just avoid each other then. We just have polar opposite beliefs. You say that everything I say has been thoroughly debunked. I believe everything you say to be proven falsehood by my own corner of the scientific community. You (seem to) believe that truth is relative. I believe in absolutes. You believe that my moral stance is repulsive, and I find yours equally so. At this point, I’m going to leave you alone. I would ask you do the same as neither of us are going to do anything more than infuriate the other.
BH, I find you unnerving. Because in you I see just a small glimpse of that which plagues me to no end. Do you know what your sin is BH? Because I know what mine are, or at least what your kind tells me they are.
I have lived a life of fear and anger, berated, tormented, and even physically assaulted by good “god-fearing” christians for what I am. I’ve seen lines of christian pickers hurling insults and slander at our yearly Pagan festival. I’ve been nearly ran off the road for having a pentagram on my car. I live every day with resentment and seething anger.
And everyday I see my rights decay. The government telling me who I can fuck, what I can practice, what i can write, how I can live. I will never, ever accetp Christainity as anything more then my enemy.
It’s not a matter of Christianity being necessarily good or bad. That’s not the debate here; at least not from my end.
It’s that I personally don’t find the conclusions and assumptions of Christianity to be sound (as a whole)based upon science, morality, and my own convictions.
I can’t pretend that things that I vehemently disagree with are somehow worthy of my adoration.
That being said; as a general religion is just one of many facets of a human being. It generally isn’t that big of an issue unless it’s all consuming in some way.
Hate you? I don’t even know you. To quote Voltaire I will defend to my death the right for you to say the things you want and believe that which your moral convictions point;
however, I will not pretend to respect that which I find morally repulsive and bereft of intellectual merit. You are free to believe that which you please; you are free to vote how you please; you are free to live your live as you will. I will respect absolutely all of that.
However, I will not respect what your beliefs lead towards. I will not pretend that I think you have any points that have not already been roundly debunked.
In short, I will respect 100 percent your right to believe that which you will and to practice your beliefs (so long as they don’t infringe on others) as you see fit but I hold no respect for your intellectual, philosophical, or religious beliefs myself. None what-so-ever and there is nothing that can be done about that.
:Sincerity: As to the “fucking moron” comment… I really don’t understand how you think you’re the good guy, or at least the smart one here… I mean honestly, you’re the one throwing demeaning insults around, and generally adopting a mocking, condescending, “Oh you stupid Christian I can’t believe you’re still here, have another glass of Jarate,” tone. I’m almost ready to just start ignoring you. Call me a moron if you like… You’ll probably piss me off, but you’re just sorta not doing anything positive. I mean, are you trying to impress someone? What did I do to you to make you hate me SO much? I’ve told you that I disagree with you, that I believe in America and Jesus Christ and heterosexual marriage. I still want to be a good neighbor to you in spite of our disagreement, but you won’t. STOP. THROWING. SHIT. At me. You haven’t even met me. You don’t know anything about me except what very little I’ve told you. WHY. Why do you hate me Professor of Hoers? :/Sincerity:
