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Oh so what I burn babies to fuel the rainbow machines and force changelings into servitude?
Does that really make me such a bad guy?
 
It’s a matter of perspective.
 
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This is a fucking show about Friendship and Kindness, do you seriously fucking think that Celestia is a cruel despot just because there’s no conclusive evidence that she isn’t? It would be completely out of place in the show, and not once during it’s run has she acted in any way that could be classified as repressive or authoritarian. And the scenarios that you have in your head where she totally sends Pinkie Pie to a Gulag for failing to met a party quota don’t count because most of us aren’t schizophrenic.
 
A cruel despot and totalitarianism aren’t mutually inclusive, although they are correlated, hence why “totalitarian” is so effective as a buzzword in rhetoric.
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This is a fucking show about Friendship and Kindness, do you seriously fucking think that Celestia is a cruel despot just because there’s no conclusive evidence that she isn’t? It would be completely out of place in the show, and not once during it’s run has she acted in any way that could be classified as repressive or authoritarian. And the scenarios that you have in your head where she totally sends Pinkie Pie to a Gulag for failing to met a party quota don’t count because most of us aren’t schizophrenic.
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Oh so what I burn babies to fuel the rainbow machines and force changelings into servitude?
 
Does that really make me such a bad guy?
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So, basically, there’s no evidence to support your claims, but you’re not convinced by the evidence that disproves them, therefore, Celestia is Mussolini.
Don’t you have a Monarch-run Republic to tend to, Lunatic?
 
Basically, he’s making claims without being specific about what those claims are, then expecting us to swallow it since all he needs to support it is more vague general claims. It’s clearly worked for the duller among us, so perhaps it’s not as pathetic as I thought.
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@Background Pony #C9C5  
So, basically, there’s no evidence to support your claims, but you’re not convinced by the evidence that disproves them, therefore, Celestia is Mussolini.
 
Don’t you have a Monarch-run Republic to tend to, Lunatic?
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I could say the same to you.
 
And that would be pointless because I’m not the one who’s doing that here.  
Does Equestria have a Gestapo, Stasi or KGB? Is the rule of law arbitrary? Is dissent repressed through extra-judicial methods? Does it abide by a revolutionary ideology that seeks to transform society? Has Celestia ever imprisoned anyone for showing her in a less than favorable light?*
*If she did, “then the Cutie Mark Crusaders would probably be rotting in a dungeon right now.
 
  1. Why have a secret police when you have all manner of magical spells and artefacts that can detect thoughtcrime many miles away? Without one such artefact, Cutie Map wouldn’t have been possible in the first place.  
  2. It could be, and most likely is. We don’t have any evidence of a universal code of law, but we do have evidence of an autocrat who can make whatever decisions she likes regardless of what anyone or anything else says.  
  3. We’ve never seen dissent in the first place, so claims can’t be made either way, although the utter lack of open dissent should raise a few eyebrows.  
  4. Non-sequitur. Reactionary/ultra-conservative regimes can be totalitarian as well.  
  5. We don’t have evidence of such, but we do have evidence that it’s not outside the realm of possibility.  
I am not being pedantic. If a state does not meet a certain criterion, it cannot be considered totalitarian. It can be considered dictatorial and repressive - yes - but totalitarian is a specific label that cannot be applied to every single dictatorial or undemocratic state.
 
You’re applying derogatory labels to things to put them in an unfavourable light, then pointing to some nebulous specifications that have not been clearly defined, let alone universally accepted, when shown that those same labels can be applied to things that are generally seen as favourable. It’s intellectually dishonest, and laughably transparent.
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How about no?
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Yeah, Celestia is such a totalitarian leader. That’s why she allows ponies to do whatever they wish with their bodies and lives, why there’s absolutely no government propaganda anywhere, why she reformed Discord by exposing him to positive influences instead of locking him up in a propaganda room, and later completely forgives him despite him betraying Equestria for his own insecurities, why she has shown tremendous tolerance towards any other monarch, and why she treats leaders of local settlements with respect, showing that they do have actual political power and aren’t just figure heads.
 
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Unfortunately, we can’t base our arguments on what we’d prefer to be true instead of what actually is true.
 
I could say the same to you.
 
@Background Pony #C9C5  
She kind of does, to the same extent that other totalitarian regimes have in the past. Equestria has more in common with totalitarianism than not, going by your own source.
 
Does Equestria have a Gestapo, Stasi or KGB? Is the rule of law arbitrary? Is dissent repressed through extra-judicial methods? Does it abide by a revolutionary ideology that seeks to transform society? Has Celestia ever imprisoned anyone for showing her in a less than favorable light?*
 
*If she did, then the Cutie Mark Crusaders would probably be rotting in a dungeon right now.
 
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And just FYI, being pedantic with definitions for the sake of skewing the argument in your favour doesn’t fool anyone.
 
I am not being pedantic. If a state does not meet a certain criterion, it cannot be considered totalitarian. It can be considered dictatorial and repressive - yes - but totalitarian is a specific label that cannot be applied to every single dictatorial or undemocratic state.
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I’d like to think Equestria has some sort of parliament that we’ve never seen (because most little girls aren’t interested in parliamentary politics), however.
 
Unfortunately, we can’t base our arguments on what we’d prefer to be true instead of what actually is true.
 
Totalitarian? Last time I checked, Celestia doesn’t seek to control all aspects of her citizens lives or ideologically indoctrinate them, nor does she aspire to do so. By definition, she kinda’ has to.
Totalitarianism doesn’t just mean “odious dictatorship”: it means a very specific sort of odious dictatorship.
 
She kind of does, to the same extent that other totalitarian regimes have in the past. Equestria has more in common with totalitarianism than not, going by your own source.
 
And just FYI, being pedantic with definitions for the sake of skewing the argument in your favour doesn’t fool anyone.
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At worst, she’s an absolute monarch. I’d like to think Equestria has some sort of parliament that we’ve never seen (because most little girls aren’t interested in parliamentary politics), however.
 
Totalitarian? Last time I checked, Celestia doesn’t seek to control all aspects of her citizens lives or ideologically indoctrinate them, nor does she aspire to do so. By definition, she kinda’ has to.
 
Totalitarianism doesn’t just mean “odious dictatorship”: it means a very specific sort of odious dictatorship.
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It fits the definition. Again, refer to a 6th grade social studies textbook.
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And how is Equestria totalitarian?
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@Background Pony #C9C5 Please elaborate.
 
Why do you need elaboration? Celestia calls all the shots and everyone does what she says. That’s despotism. A 6th grade social studies textbook will tell you what you seem to be unaware of.
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Please elaborate.
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Princess Celestia is a despot and Equestria is totalitarian, yet they’re the good guys. Your argument is invalid.
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Sombra could actually be a good Leopold II analogue, since Leopold (effectively) enslaved the Congo, much like how Sombra enslaved the Crystal Empire.
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And who would, say, Leopold II, be in this?
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Sombra is Saddam or Assad; Glimmer is Kim Il-Sung or Pol Pot.
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Sombra would honestly be a better fit.