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@Corrderio
Dude. We get it. You like Fluttershy. But please. Stop spamming. (Rest when I was mad is deleted)
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There’s her “stubbornness,” as well. As shown in some eps like “Apple buck season” where she was too stubborn to admit she needed help, and such.
And I agree with Serious B, I feel all the characters have some hidden depths.
Which flaw was that? The overprotectiveness towards AB in Somepony To Watch over me?
Last time the writers tried to give AJ an additional flaw to compliment her stubborness, pride and prejudice, the fandom threw a collective shitfit, because “muh level-headed AJ!”.
@ghostfacekiller39
Your anti-Futtershy bias is pretty evident, but it’s not something that surprises me, seeing how majority of this fanbase cannot grasp the idea that shyness is a mutli-layered issue, and making Flutts overcome hers in a span of as single episode would not only be unrealistic, but also dishonest towards those who actually suffer or have suffered from crippling shyness in their lives. Besides:
Dragonshy wasn’t about overcoming shyness, but overcoming fear for the sake of her friends. And it was a real, serious fear - that of a full-grown dragon.
HF and FV were similar in that they both focused on Fluttershy’s performance anxiety - something many people suffer from, even if they aren’t exactly shy in standard social situations.
PYHD was about the dangers of over-assertiveness and how it’s more dangerous to your surroundings than just being a shy doormat.
Then there were episodes such as the Phoenix one (I forgot the title), in which the conflict had its roots not in Fluttershy’s shyness but - again - in her overconfidence (this time overconfidence in her veterinarian skills), or the one with Breezies, where the issue was centered more around her overprotectiveness towards weaker creatures, even though ironically that overprotectiveness can hurt those, whom she tries to protect from harm.
Fluttershy - just like AJ - is a far more complex character than people care to admit, but for some reason everybody and their mother likes to simplify the issues these two go through even though they’re pretty evident to anyone who cares to spend a little time analyzing their episodes. But no one ever does, cause everyone instantly dissmises them as “more of the same” and thus makes the circle complete.
no way man, Dashie’s adorableness steals away from a bunch of girly dresses
agree
Good point. I guess my view on development is seeing a character be almost different from the start to current/end of a series. Kidna like Zuko/Aang from avatar.
AJ has shifted as the series has gone on. I’d say it’s development. She’s the team mom. The most motherly and supportive of the mane 6. And the one to take lessons she’s learned to heart.
I love AJ, but in her current form she’s not that much of a starring character. She’s a support character. Using her wisdom and abilities to help the rest of the cast. This is the result of her taking her lessons to heart. She’s become too flawless. The characters need flaws in order for stories to happen that mean anything.
If the cast kept learning from their mistakes, they wouldn’t make mistakes and thus any story involving them would just make them look perfect and mary sueish.
i like me too :)
@Background Pony #A3EC
dude no, i refuse
Seriously, that wasn’t something I could reply to as rapid-fire as they were made. That’d just be saying ‘no you’re wrong’ without mentioning why, which is sort of the entire point. Which is why I didn’t leave this at that first line, because what would the point of that be? Your initial statement didn’t really need anything else to say what you wanted to say, but to accurately reply to it, I did have to expand on it here. Same with Corrderio’s. I don’t just say ‘lol no ur wrong’, I explain myself, and won’t apologize for or change that.
It’s possible to make observations that contradict what actually happened, you know.
dude he wrote some observations and you wrote a freaking essay
tone it down
i like you
Okay, most of that was not asking for character development, but character derailment. Character development is not about losing or radically altering character traits, and most of what you mentioned have no reason to be changed. There are some points in that list where they have room to grow, but you don’t sound like you’re looking for growth so much as alteration. You want to cut out character traits, and possibly replace them with something else. That’s not how characters work - that’s not how people work - and if that’s the sort of character growth you’re looking for, maybe… fiction in general… is not for you?
Twilight will always be high on friendship - hell, she’s the reigning princess of friendship, literally - and she will always hold her mentor and idol in high esteem. These will never change, nor should they, as that would be destroying key concepts of her character.
Rarity will probably always be dramatic, and who the hell cares? A strong part about her character is how passionate she gets, and that has both highs and lows, as it should. Yes, sometimes this leads to her being kind of bitchy, when she gets caught up in negativity. But if you think she’s still the same about it as she was early on, you really haven’t been paying attention.
Pinkie Pie is… my least favorite of the Mane Six. But if ‘batshit insane’ is what you’re taking out of her character, you don’t understand Pinkie at all. She moves to the beat of her own drum and seems to have a reality slightly out-of-sync with everyone else’s, but there is method to her madness - her method, but a distinct and clear one. If you cut that out, you would be cutting out Pinkie herself.
Rainbow Dash is absolutely a fangirl. And she’s got pride in her skills. Pride built up through practice and talent, that still fails to hide her self-doubt - case in point, this episode where she became freaked that she might actually be responsible somehow. However, she has both tempered her ego and her self-doubt - they still exist, but in more manageable forms. That’s character growth, not removing the traits entirely.
Fluttershy… is the slowest-growing of the group, yes, and the most prone to regression. But even she’s starting to break through. What she learned from the Breezies she applied to Rainbow Dash - when RD’s actions started having negative impacts, she stepped up and said how it was straight-out. She’s learning assertiveness and how to stand up - and that will not and should not overwrite her other traits.
You didn’t say anything about Applejack and I’m bored so I’m going to skip her too.
You’re not asking for character growth. You’re asking for character derailment. You’re talking about removing flaws, when having them is what makes a character - well I was going to say interesting, but really, that’s what makes a character a character. I am, in fact, outright saying you’re wrong - not that the characters should grow and in fact could grow faster, but in that anything you brought up is something that should ever happen. Your problem isn’t with the characters’ growth, it’s with the characters themselves, and that’s not something the show can ever fix for you.
tl;dr: a bunch of rambling
Well I guess to each their own. Not saying you’re wrong, but it just seems like every time the M6 learn lesson, they forget it the next episode over or it’s something that never gets brought back up again.
Twilight is still fascinated with friendship is way too obessed with Celestia.
Rarity is still a drama queen and sometimes a bitch to her friends.
Pinkie Pie is batshit insane.
Rainbow Dash is an egoistical fanboy
Fluttershy is kind to a fault which does lead to her being a doormat
Applejack is… is… damn it…
This isn’t entirely unfounded - especially in the case of Fluttershy, seeing how much her shyness sells and all.
I’d argue that :V
>has an episode based on business ethics vs. personal integrity
>”She’s just used for comic relief”
Also, we’ve gone that route…once? Maybe twice, seeing that the argument could be made for S&E? How many times have we gone down the “not being willing to contribute anything because she’s so shy” route with Fluttershy? Five? Six?
They ether ran out of ideas or they are forbidden from progressing character development because Hasbro.
Personally i think it’s Hasbro as the Show writers are very talented.
Some people are more annoying than you. XD