Culture, Biology, and Dietary Headcanons

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Well, to answer the question of SD50-2 seriously, I think most dragons really don’t care about ponies. Literally they all look alike for them, because their cultures are quite different. I am more curious about the fact, if big dragons are actually OLD dragons, or just the most greedy ones. That fits with princess Ember, because she is smart and not greedy. Ambitious, yes, but friendly and that’s the reason why Smolder is quite important. She NEEDS to be in the School of Friendship. If Smolder is succesful, other dragons might be willing to learn friendship too. At least this is my opinion. :-)
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A thought that’s been on my mind lately: what do you think popular culture, legends and folklore are like among the ponies? What I mean is, what would be considered mythical and fantastic in a world where magic and dragons and monsters and spirits of various sorts are observably real parts and inhabitants of the world?
 
One idea I like, or at least I find amusing and interesting, is that things that we would consider to be simply unusual features of the real world (and its past and future) or belonging to the realm of science fiction and scientific speculation is what would be the stuff of legends and old myths in Equestria, so that you’d get robots and AIs instead of fairies and spirits, dinosaurs instead of dragons, humans instead of unicorns, spaceships and rockets instead of flying carpets, half-mad scientists and inventors instead of wizards and distant planets and faraway stars instead of magical lands and spirit worlds. This’d all be told through the lens of being the traditions of a fantasy world, of course – for instance, it could be worded in terms of heroes sailing to the stars and moon in wondrous ships of glass and steel alongside ponies of metal and wires and meeting geniuses who create and gift them with complex, incredible machines capable of doing anything by harnessing the forces of nature. Things like that.
 
Dinosaurs specifically I imagine as a chimeric creatures resulting from early explorers getting perfectly real beings like dragons and rocs mixed up and confused, with the split between bipedal meat-eaters and quadrupedal grass-eaters being perhaps like the split between Western and Eastern dragons.
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Right, based on the recent exposition on dragon biology in “Molt Dow” and some of the comments under this picture:
 
(And major spoilers ahead for anyone who hasn’t seen the episode yet, naturally.)
 
We know that around puberty, dragons go through an evidently magical process called the molt where they break out in a plethora of uncomfortable symptoms and which leads to them developing wings. We also know that as soon as a dragon goes into the molt, their parents kick them out of the house/cavern to fend for themselves. This is a very dangerous time for dragons, as the world’s numerous and gigantic predators will all be trying to make a meal out of them.
 
So, a few conclusions based on these things:
 
All other dragons on the show have wings. This means that all of them – Garble, Ember, Smolder, all the teenage dragons – have molted already. If they have molted, they must all have gotten the boot from their parents at some point before their debut on the show and been living on their own since. This brings up an issue: Ember still maintains a close relationship with her dad, and there is no real indication that Torch’s relationship with his daughter is unusual in any particular way expect for his overprotectiveness. Evidently, their relationship, and specifically the way Ember’s molt went down, must be unusual by dragon standards. My personal view is that Torch’s parenting instincts are generally stronger than usual for dragons, and were able to partially override his molt effect – while Ember may have had to camp out on her own during the actual molting process, she was able to come back once it was done and her wings were grown in. A general cultural attitude that molted dragons should be self-sufficent is still present, however, meaning Torch still expects his daughter to look after herself to a greater degree than he did before – hence Ember’s line in “Gauntlet of Fire” where she says she doesn’t really have anyone looking out for her. This is certainly rare, but probably not unique – the onset of the molt is likely going to result in conflict between the parents’ urge to kick their offspring out of the lair (probably to ease future competition between multiple treasure-haording, highly territorial giant creatures all living in immediate proximity) and their parental instincts telling them to look after their young. If the molt effect proves stronger, which it usually does, the young dragon goes. If the parental instincts do, the young dragon either stays or is allowed to come back.
 
Based on another comment on the linked picture, an interesting thought is that once a molt and the molting effect subside, the young dragons are likely to band together for mutual protection, resulting in groups like Garble’s gang – bands of young, wandering adolescents sticking together for mutual protection until they grow old and large enough to defend their own individual territories.
 
One last thing that puzzled me a bit was why that roc was so obsessed with eating Spike. It’s like an eagle putting in all that energy and effort to catch a mouse – the amount of food and energy it’ll get from eating the little thing is not going to be anywhere near enough to make up for what it spent. But thinking about it, it does make sense. Considering that all the species Smolder listed off – tatzlwurms, hydras and rocs – are giant predators the same general size as dragons, food may not be as big a concern as avoiding future competition. A young dragon will, if it survives to do so, grow into an adult dragon. From the point of view of, say, a roc, an adult dragon is likely to be dangerous competition for territory and resources. If the dragon is big enough, it may even be a potential predator. Since the molt’s the most vulnerable time in a dragon’s life – away from the protection of their parents but still too small to protect themselves against such huge foes – the various specimens of carnivorous megafauna must have learned that the smell of a molting dragon means it’s the perfect time to bump off future competition before it becomes a threat, and have a snack while doing so. I’m sure a roc would have no objections to picking off a baby hydra or a tatzlwurm to gobbling down a couple of unguarded roc eggs for much the same reasons.
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I like that idea.
 
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I did read from some people that Smolder may have been trolling Spike with the being kicked out comment. But I like what you have to say with the young dragon being allowed to come back if they please. The reasons you made for them being kicked out makes sense too (and it’s something that happens in the wild with some real world animals).
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I’ve talked about ‘magic organs’ before, but here’s more drabblings that I’ve been thinking about 99% for my own stuff, but anyway, I’ve talked about them with undead before, ie, zombie has a working magic organ that keeps him ‘alive’ and if it stops working he ‘dies’, but it can be messed up in living ponies too and affect them in adverse ways (and there is no way to fix it) so if a pegasus breaks his wing, normally it can heal and he can get back to flying, but if he somehow manages to fuck up his magic organ, he can say bye bye to ever flying again even if his wings seems fine. Likewise, having fucked up wings and a fine magic organ won’t get you flying either, both of those things need to work. Luckily a fucked magic organ isn’t gonna kill you if you’re still mortal, it’ll just inhibit your magical skills, but if you didn’t use them anyway, it won’t change a lot. Obviously this would affect some ponies more than others.
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Is that what’s wrong with Scootaloo, perchance?
 
Also, would fixing a broken magic organ be harder than curing a prion disease? I’m pretty sure it would be theoretically possible…
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I like that idea. She can flap her wings just fine, she can even flutter a bit, she just can’t fly properly completely.
 
She can still walk on clouds just fine though.
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Speaking of headcanons about magic and what not, this may be a stupid question but it just occurred to me. What’s the point of Celestia’s school for gifted unicorns? I know it teaches kids magic, but why?
 
For comparison, we have the fligt academy that all pegasus seem to go to to learn to fly, and then there’s the Wonderbolt academy. A more advanced school where ponies go to learn to become Wonderbolts, which are a quasi-military/stunt team that perform regularly for entertainment.
 
Celestia’s school is like the Wonderbolt Academy for unicorns, but there’s nothing directly associated with it afterwards. They teach unicorns magic, and then what? What would Twilight have done with her life without the whole Ponyville thing? We see Moondancer, who’s pretty much Twilight 2.0 and she just spends all day studying. What is the grand objective of it all, to just become researchers?
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Yeah i get that, but why?There doesn’t seem to like a Royal Magician job that specialize in doing advanced magic, that would actually be really useful for Twilight and the gang, especially in the early seasons. It seems like they just learn magic for the sake of learning magic, like Grad-students who don’t have an actual job after they graduate.
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We discussed this in this thread a while back. Someone suggested that Celestia may have opened the school so foals can channel their magic in a safe and controlled environment and so they don’t go full “Nightmare Moon” with their magic so to speak. The students can also bond with each other over their magical skills. I also think Celestia just geniunely enjoys helping the young foals and enjoys watching them grow (physically, mentally, emotionally, and even with their magic). It kinda reminds me of the Mutant school in the X–Men series (her school was named after theirs afterall).
 
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That too.
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Probably also to help further the study and application of magic as a whole, similar to how people in real life will study to become scientists and other researchers.
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We discussed this in this thread a while back. Someone suggested that Celestia may have opened the school so foals can channel their magic in a safe and controlled environment and so they don’t go full “Nightmare Moon” with their magic so to speak.
And given that she may be one of the most diverse magic users in Equestria, I do sometimes wonder if Celestia’s desire for her to make friends had an additional intent of keeping her from accidentally becoming some kind of world consuming evil.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if it was. Especially if you consider what happened to Luna and Sunset Shimmer. She’s seen firsthand what happens to some when magic is misused.
I actually used to wonder if the reason Celestia started her school was with something like that in mind. I mean we know Luna’s envy over the love ponies had for her sister and the anger she felt at her efforts going unappreciated lead to her downfall. Maybe Celestia felt that, had she made more of an effort to connect, she could have prevented it. A school for the gifted would be a convenient way to both connect herself to the larger world and avoid that same fate, and allow her to keep an eye on the potentially dangerous ponies that needed friends to ground them.
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I always figured it to be like real-life college and/or grad school/med school/law school. It’s not intended to get you into a specific predefined job (unlike, as you pointed out, the way the Wonderbolts academy seems intended specifically for training new Wonderbolts) but rather meant to teach a specific category of specialized skills and information focused around magic, its theory and its use. Having a degree from Celestia’s school would thus be like having a college diploma or a Ph.D. or an M.D. – it’s not going to automatically get you a job, but it’s a recognition of the fact that you have access to in-depth, specialized and useful knowledge in a specific field, which will in turn prepare you for and open career opportunities in that field.
 
For instance, a graduate of Celestia’s school could end up with a job working with enchanted gems, or handling rare and magical creatures, or brewing potions, or making/handling magical artifacts. All these seem like specialized skills that would require a fair bit of learning to understand properly, and people would likely be willing to hire somebody who can prove they know what they’re doing with these things. Alternatively, a graduate could become a professional wizard and/or magical researcher – basically someone working for a research institution or school as a professor slash magical scientist – and/or as a wizard-for-hire handling problems too strange, rare or metaphysically weird for most people to be familiar with.
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There may be many jobs that require top tier magical specialization that the show just never shows us. Like you might need to be a specific type of magical engineer to build a train or an airship, etc, if these vehicles run on magic instead of regular fuel.
 
Most rank and file unicorns learn how to levitate stuff with their horn and that is all they learned to do. Might be all they really needed to learn. But you might have to go to school to actually learn how to pull a rabbit out of your hat (Trixie may have been self taught). It’s considered advanced magic to turn a living creature into an inanimate object and vice versa. I’m not sure how these skills would fit into this world but I’m sure they do in some way. Though I’m thinking most graduates from Celestia’s school become a scientist or an engineer.
 
 
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In a world where magical build up can really ruin a pony’s day, I wonder if acupuncture would help? Or is at least seen as massively popular. But one issue I have is, how exactly would these obstructions happen? How do you release excess magic when you are not a unicorn? Do earth ponies have to just punch things or go for a run?
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Yeah you mentioned something on the other thread about magic being linked to a pony’s nervous system or something similar to that?
 
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True. There could be quite a bit of jobs were more powerful magic might come in handy.
 
I can honestly picture earth ponies going out for a run or Pegasi flying around to release excess magic and calm themselves down.
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