Season 7 Episode Discussion [Speculation, Discussion, Spoilers] (SPOILER YOUR LEAKS)

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@CronoM  
Eh, Discord gave Trixie some props. More respect than he gives Starlight to be honest. And she got a medal too.
 
And yeah, considering how great Thorax is now, it’s weird how passive he is in that episode.
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I will say that, while “Celestial Advice” may have been ABOUT Starlight, it’s by no means her story. Twilight is the one that gets the bulk of the focus and learns a lesson in the end, so it’s by and large a Twilight episode.
 
And in “Shadow Play” her role really isn’t any more important than anypony else’s.
MrSeyker

Really? Trixie is the coolest character in TWABA. She gets the most development, her moments are the most emotionally resonant, she’s far more useful than anyone not named Thorax (and she rivals him) and she pretty much gets the final lines of the episode. Her motivation was both revelant to the themes of the show and really pertinent to her development, she was being loyal to her friend.
The fact that it wasn’t all about a single character was why I liked it.
Thorax on the other hand I do have a issue with. He should have been the hero of the episode, but it was obvious that he really needed another episode beforehand to set up his conflict.
Honestly though Starlight is the main character but she’s a very soft main character. She doesn’t do much, doesn’t defeat the villain, and though her motivation is focused on there are other motivations as well that all get screentime.
Hell, compare it to Twilight’s Kingdom or Princess Twilight, where everything is about Twilight and the others simply act like sounding boards for her issues. Especially Princess Twilight, where not only are the characters worfed, they’re generally made to look like bloody imbeciles beforehand.
 
That’s about the best thing you can say about her weird current status of main character except when not.
 
Ever since Twilight became an alicorn, it seems to me the writers can’t think of how to use her without taking the spotlight away. I think their intention with adding another unicorn to the mane cast was to get someone to fill the role Twilight can’t due to status.
 
Except they shot themselves on the foot by making said unicorn Twilight’s expy, complete with magic potential on par with unicorn Twilight. And then further muddied the issue by having Starlight take the role of Twilight’s student, so the two are basically joined at the hip whenever crisis happens.
 
And then baffingly decided to develop her completely independent of the Remane 5, giving her limited screentime with them and instead creating her own social circle independent of Twilight’s.
 
So instead of an unicorn that plays Twilight’s old role as unicron within the Mane cast, you get Twilight and her powerful magic student working together to solve a conflict. And I guess the Remane 5 were there too, paying lip-service to their status as mane characters due to being the other five element bearers.
 
If they even hint at Starlight becoming an alicorn in the future, it is effectively game over for anyone still invested on the Remane 5.
CronoM

@gingerninja666  
We’ve all already put in caveats saying that despite its problems, Shadow Play was a vast improvement over a lot of finales in that area that allowed the main characters to actually do stuff.
 
That’s not what were talking about.
 
What WE are discussing is the obvious issue that made Shadow Play egregiously worse then it could have been, and the reason was everyone being dumbed down and downplayed just for Starlight’s completely unnecessary part in the story, which could have been done by several of the main characters. Your dodging the issue AGAIN.
 
Her being a plot device in the season premier is no excuse to show a good route for Starlight’s charachter, then shove it in our faces and toss it aside just because the writers (quite transparently I might add) were DESPERATE for an excuse to keep Starlight despite all logic.
 
As YOU pointed out to US: your a starlight lover, and you warned others on this discussion board that your judgement might be clouded on this topic
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@CronoM
 
I mean, that post you responded to was me commenting on people saying that no characters get to shine in two parters anymore beside Star. Which I think is a bit untrue.
 
The last time I responded specifically to you I said I’m willing to agree to disagree.
 
You can’t just expect me to agree with every remark you say. Because I don’t. I DON’T think Starlight made the finale inherantly worse. I LIKED that the premiere swerved everyone at the end, because it hammered home that it was a lighter, Twilight character episode. Not an epic status quo changer.
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||Okay since we’re talking about it, here are my problems with the season 7 finale.  
-The first part is just set up and an exposition dump. Honestly you could have had these as two separate episodes save for the very end and you wouldn’t tell the difference  
-The villain is extremely lacking. He doesn’t do anything. He just glares menacingly and says bad things will come. Give Nightmare Moon some credit, at least she did stuff.  
-The pillars are barely used, outside Starswirl. They at best get one to two lines and then are just in the background and don’t contributed anything, which leads to  
-The Remane 5 are barely used…in part 2. Part 1 they do play a role and each get a scene which is rather nice and they do defend Twilight from Starswirl, but after that they’re just kind of there.  
  • The Starlight Twilight Starswirl thing should have been more Twilight focused. Compared to other roles, Starlight is downplayed but because Twilight just kind of goes along with Starswirl with no real conflict until the see Sytien, it makes Starlight feel like the only one with common scene. What there should have been was a conflict in Twilight over whether her mentor, who had experience fighting the monster, or her student, who had experience being a monster, were in the right and how to approach that.  
    That being said for a finale it was far more balanced than most, save season 1’s and wasn’t anything controversial. Wasn’t spectacular either, but that’s just my view. ||
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@CronoM  
I wouldn’t really call || Going around Equestia gathering items really doing anything of importance becuase after the Shdow Pon cane up they were worthless. That’s were the movie gets it right where Twilight would have been f*cked if the remane 5 wasn’t there we need something like that in the show where the remane 5 save the day to show they are needed.
 
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MrSeyker

- The Starlight Twilight Starswirl thing should have been more Twilight focused. Compared to other roles, Starlight is downplayed but because Twilight just kind of goes along with Starswirl with no real conflict until the see Sytien, it makes Starlight feel like the only one with common scene. What there should have been was a conflict in Twilight over whether her mentor, who had experience fighting the monster, or her student, who had experience being a monster, were in the right and how to approach that.
 
That is my issue, but I reached the opposite conclusion.
 
Having Twilight go along with Starswirl was the right thing to do, besides her hero worship and his magical knowhow, it was her rushed actions that unleashed Pony of Shadows, and thus her guilt would’ve kept her blindly following Starswirl guide.
 
What should’ve happened here is that the other Mane Five also objected to Starswirl plan, some out of understanding there’s more to Pony of Shadows’ story, others out of the sheer amount of pragmatism that is sacrificing the elements to get rid of a threat.
 
That way Starlight is not the only voice of reason, there’s a display of a bond with Starlight and her backstory, and the conflict with Twilight becomes more pronounced.
 
It would basically a reverse of the season 2 finale.
 
There, Twilight’s gut feeling told her something was off about Cadance, but nobody listened.
 
Here, Starlight and the Mane Five’s objections would’ve been valid and in the right, but Twilight won’t listen out of her guilt and blind faith in Starswirl.
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Okay, I guess.
Well, there’s this Russian guy claiming he’s behind of the massive leaks and claiming he got confirmation that S09 will be the final one and that he still has access to everything so more leaks will keep happening.  
I’m taking his claims with a grain of salt, but the lastest weeks proved that anything can happen so I still believe him a bit.
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@Anonycat  
…I’d much rather they don’t keep happening, to put it lately. And if he is for real, then someone ought to contact the authorities on him.
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@Anonycat  
At this point there’s not much they can do in FiM aside from completing Starlight’s arc, and we all know how that’s probably going to turn out.
 
Scattering pieces of a puzzle throughout the season only for it to all come together in a two-part finale where the world is at stake is starting to get old, just like Doctor Who.
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For the most part, season 7 didn’t seem to do that. The Legends didn’t even come into play at all until more than halfway in. And even when they were brought up, you could’ve easily seen them on their own without knowing the role they played in the season finale.
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Yeah, someone seriously needs to do something about this leaker. Early releases in other countries is one thing, but this is kind of bad.
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@Jarkes
 
There’s evidence pointing towards the leaker being Russian, such as the movie leak source also having RU files. If we’re talking about a hacker that secured a backdoor to DHX’s content, all they can do is to try and cut them off from their end.
 
As for catching the hacker itself, well, good luck with that. Russia tends to be a very good place to be pursuing that “career”, especially since the authorities there suffer from an acute case of dontgiveafuckitis and untraceable IP addresses are kind of the norm there.
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Russia cares more about quashing homosexuality than piracy. I wonder if that’s the reason piracy is so rampant in China as well…
 
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In Season 8, Starlight becomes an alicorn. In Season 10, we get introduced to Gloaming Flicker, a unicorn mare who has lost all hope in friendship and wants to end Equestria. In Season 11, Starlight becomes Gloaming’s mentor. In Season 13, Gloaming becomes an alicorn. In Season 15, we get introduced to Nightfall Brilliance, a unicorn mare who has lost all hope in friendship and wants to end Equestria. In Season 16, Gloaming becomes Nightfall’s mentor. Rinse and repeat for Dimness Glitter, Evening Dazzle and Sundown Twinkle
 
@Applejack007  
Some shows have been cancelled mid-season. One Australian show was so tasteless for Australian TV it was pulled 10 minutes into its pilot episode. Then again, this is the same country that thinks every child should be legally required to watch a show about two retarded berries stalking their neighbours and attempting sexual molestation once a week to celebrate the weekly anniversary of January 1, 1788.
 
 
@09MurphyM  
G5 will be either Fosgitt’s or Darkdoomer’s art style, but with the movie outline and ear style. Mane cast would be Applejack, Rarity, Pinkie Pie, Starlight Glimmer, Scootaloo and Cheerilee, all completely different from their current incarnations except for species, though Cheerilee would be a pegasus and AJ would still be southern. Mane city would be Appleloosa. The focus would be on a magic school like Hogwarts, with Starlight as the main protagonist. Princess Luna would be the headmaster. Spike would be there too, as Luna’s assistant, this time voiced by Peter New. Other students of note would include Diamond Tiara, Apple Bloom, Sweetie Belle, Moondancer, Sunburst, Jet Set, Berry Pinch/Ruby Pinch, Tender Taps, Pinny Lane, Plaid Stripes (the beta bitch), and Flurry Heart (the alpha bitch). Rainbow Dash is the school groundskeeper, and has a pet griffon named Gabby. Teachers will include Twilight Sparkle (Magic), Sunset Shimmer (Gym), Starsong (Music), Toola Roola (Art) Chipcutter (Woodshop) and Spoiled Milk (Home Economics)
 
Also, games. There needs to be an official game other than the mobile app. Shame all non-phone games are shooters these days. Try My Little Pony: Dual Rainbow Legend, which is about Twilight going insane. It features increasingly difficult platforming sections and boss battles, Spike as your fairy companion, an evil dracony necromancer, shittons of continuity nods and fandom nods, a boss battle against Babs Seed, ludicrous crossovers, a Nintendo Switch game card haunted by the ghost of a necromancer, a topless dancer, Fallout: Equestria, Blackjack suffering from crippling hylophobia, a scene where the game crashes and when you reload you’re on Planet Claire, a retelling of Rainbow Factory that crosses over with Story of the Blanks, and twilight comparing books to dicks. A riot, to be certain. Also, off-topic but I hate how trying to add a space after a punctuation mark adds a linebreak instead if it created a new line, I fucking hate it.
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Okay, I guess.
@Applejack007  
If 2 weeks ago somebody had told me that a Russian hacker would leak the movie, the rest of the season and the show bible I wouldn’t have believed him, but after the same 2 weeks passed and everything turned out to be true, I’m considerably more inclined to believe what other people says about future leaks.
Mojo

@Anonycat
 
When asked about the S7 stuff he produced proof by posting S7 flash assets, now when asked to produce proof for all his more recent claims (he also claims to have like every Season 8 synopsis) he goes “I’LL DO IT IN A FEW MONTHS” which makes his current claims really dubious
 
More importantly I strongly doubt S10 is ether confirmed or unconfirmed yet. It’s too early for a final decission to have been made by Hasbro especially with the movie having just come out they’ll definitely want to see the returns there + how much it’s merch makes. Really makes no financial sense at all for that decission to already be set in stone and obviously ultimately that’s the biggest factor in show renewals or cancelilations.
 
It’s also entirely possible that whatever he hacked basically just list Season 9 as the final renewed season… because as said before is very likely, no decission has been made over a potential season 10 one way or the other and he’s just being hyperbolic/not understanding how show renewals work.
Mojo

Also to my knowledge he never claimed to be behind hte movie leaks (and I think files related the movie wouldn’t actually be on DHX’s servers), only the S7 ones and made some claims he had S8 synopsis’s but gave no evidence on that front.
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