Starlight Glimmer- What is the opinion of her still?

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I like Starlight because she violently ripped Twilight out of the “invincible Mary Sue alicorn princess” status, and, to me, this made Twilight astronomically more likable as a character.
 
Nowadays, disregarding Starlight’s poor backstory and lack of dramatic weight in her reformation, she’s a cute character with a social disorder that I both see myself in and genuinely want to see develop and change to become a better person.
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Like her, and although I agree that her redemption in execution sucked, I see a lot of potential for her.
 
What I find weird is that characterisation-wise, she makes a lot of sense in a show like this…which is made all the weirder that her haters hate her because of minutiae surrounding setting-details, which is pretty egregious in my mind, given a certain game I could mention, or a certain TV show too.
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@Ebalosus
 
I agree with your first sentence. Not quite sure I understood the rest. What do you mean that she makes sense in a show like this? She’s just “learning friendship” Twilight already did that. She isn’t needed, she’s redundant. Unless there’s something I’m missing. Hell even in the movies, Starlight doesn’t need to be there because Sunset is there.
 
Haters hate because of minutiae surrounding setting details? Ok I’m dumb. Please explain?
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Okay, I guess.
Well, this episode made me hate Starlight even more than before, but still less than the next episode where she’s again forced in to immediately suceed at things the main cast failed to do.
 
Feeling tremendlously dissapointed by the series’ staff and tremendoulsy tired of Starlight’s malicious fans who keep making fun and trying to provoke whoever dislikes her, all under the excuse that they are “nice people”.
 
If that’s their concept of being nice I don’t want to imagine what’s their idea of being openly malicious.
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Those sound like two different people. Like the first one is a Starlight fan and the other is a strawman Starlight detractor.
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Look, I like her interactions with Maud. I just don’t like how it portrays Pinkie as overly clingy with her sister when she was doing fine before, and it paints Maud as somewhat overly uncaring and oblivious and is basically made an accomplice of the formation of Our Town.
 
Also, wouldn’t it make sense for Maud to make friends with Trixie, since Trixie was stuck working on their rock farm for a while, thus it was likely they ran into each other at some point or other?
 
IMO, Starlight made friends with Maud WAY too quickly. Not to mention, how will Maud react if she found out that Starlight messed with Pinkie on two separate occasions?
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That episode reminded me of why I hate Pinkie Pie. Maud and Starlight are fine, but Pinkie remains the obnoxious comic-relief that she’s been (when in the spotlight) since S2. Like Twilight, she works better as a supporting character rather than as the focus. In Star Trek terms, this is who Pinkie is:
 
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and this is who Starlight is:
 
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The minutiae I refer to is as follows:
 
1) Starlight is bad because she’s OP! Uh, her being a good wizard was established back in S5E01/02. Besides, it’s not like they’ve explained how magic is constrained within the setting anyway, thus the grumblings over why won’t they explain why she’s so good at magic! ring pretty hollow.
 
2) Starlight is bad because the writers shill her by making the other characters look bad/stupid! You do realise that most of the drama on this show comes from misunderstandings/stupidity, right? It’s the disadvantage of having a drama-first narrative. My next point should make clear why people don’t care about narrative sleight-of-hand because…
 
3) Starlight is bad because she’s a MARY SUE!!!! …as long as a character is presented in a way the audience enjoys, people will look over such claims. Want to know what an actual Mary Sue looks like?
 
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No one, I repeat fucking no one seemed to care that Elizabeth was a nonsensical Mary Sue, and laughably proclaimed her a “good character.” Moral of the story: People wont care how bullshit a character is as long as you make them likable. Starlight isn’t a Mary Sue, since she can’t warp the narrative around her like a black hole, unlike Elizabeth of Call of Bioshock: Pretentious Borefare.
 
In closing, I get the feeling that those whom complain about Starlight ‘ruining’ the show are doing so because of something I said in 2015: “Mary Sue” has been co-opted [by idiots] to mean “character I don’t like violating muh head cannon”, except it’s just the latter with the former occasionally serving as a [lame] justification.
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ah so poeple don’t like starlight because she’s not likable
 
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That episode reminded me of why I hate Pinkie Pie. Maud and Starlight are fine, but Pinkie remains the obnoxious comic-relief that she’s been (when in the spotlight) since S2. Like Twilight, she works better as a supporting character rather than as the focus. In Star Trek terms, this is who Pinkie is:
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and this is who Starlight is:
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that’s a really shit example.
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The “Outsider” aspect of sues isn’t acknowledged nearly enough, it really should be a core, well-known part of the concept as opposed to an afterthought allowing this kind of “Mary Sue means character you don’t like” thinking to happen.
 
By definition, the term was invented because of Star Trek fanfiction, because of a character being inserted into an already established universe by a novice and/or biased creator showing poor understanding of basic writing techniques and character development. However, this can also apply to “professionals” that have their work made “official” by the holder of the IP’s rights, so basically anyone that wasn’t part of the original team.
 
That’s why characters like Batman, Superman and Twilight Sparkle cannot be sues, because they’re part of the core experience, if they’re not liked, then… why be a fan in the first place? To be a sue, a character needs to be added into an IP, either officially or not.
 
Elizabeth is kind of a complicated case, since Bioshock Infinite hardly took anything from the initial games, it might’ve as well have been a new IP, in which case, she’s part of the core experience, her being a space and dimension travelling anomaly hasn’t been added on top of any well-established lore. And then Burial at Sea shat all over that concept and linked both universes, in which case yes, it is now possible to consider her to be a Mary Sue since she’s been retroactively added on top of the standard Pre-Infinite Bioshock lore, and now has the entire series orbit around her actions.
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