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I did only ask for a couple of them to be edited at this time, not all of them, so that the tag had a nonzero population and could be given a description…

Anyway…

Regardless of what they get separated out into, they should be differentiated from true hippogriffs. Alias can fix it later if someone wants a different tag name for them.

Gave grifflings this description, please tear them apart provide feedback:

Short: A hybrid of pony and griffon that is not a traditional hippogriff
Long: Typically depicted as a pegasus with leonine tail and a griffon’s birdlike claws as forelegs. They may be the offspring of a pony and griffon couple, or may be their own species, depending on the artist.

Gave hippogriffs this description:

Short: A mythological hybrid species of bird and horse
Long: Typically depicted as having the head, forelegs, talons, wings, and forequarters of a griffon, with the hindquarters, and rear legs of a pony. Movie-inspired designs possess external ears. Tails can be leonine, equine, or feathered.

In G4 they are their own species, but some artists depict them as the offspring of a pony and griffon.
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I am going to say this in big bold letters so people understand.

Tags are never that big of a priority that anyone should feel the need to add a whole new tag with a specific meaning before deciding upon it with others + staff.

Do not tag something major BEFORE making a thread and then not even waiting a day before assuming that everyone is okay with it.
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So an issue that has arisen is that the Hippogriff tag does have a large following. About 115 watchers, not counting people who casually search the tag.

Considering there’s a fair number of Users who do consider these types of creatures as Hippogriffs. It may be best to keep the Hippogriff tag on the images, while using the Griffling/whatever name is chosen tag to differentiate the two. As well as having Griffling/whatevs imply Hippogriff.

I’ve re-added the Hippogriff tag to the images tagged with Griffling for the time being.
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Could keep it simple and just make it "hippogriff (canon)" or "hippogriff (movie)".

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Let’s be reasonable, the movie is the one that ’ripped apart’ the characters. Besides which, he provided an alternate name; "griffling".
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I suspect the "sorta-hippogriffs" are going to continue to be posted with only the hippogriff tag.
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And I’ll probably add it to the tags I police :P

Just like all the gryphons that dont get tagged such :P
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I’ve always found it kind of silly that the sort-of-hippogriffs have always been referred to as hippogriffs, when they’re not. If they were to be tagged as something else, like griffling, and eventually have that fade into being their official tag, that would be a welcome change to me. Doesn’t make sense to tag them as something they’re not.
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Honestly Zeb makes a great point. By adding more and more tags, it’s just going to be harder and harder for people to find what they actually want to see. Along with that, the hippogriff name is historically the offspring of a mare and griffin. The name even is a combination of griffin and horse.

If we start going into deeper and deeper specifics for character labels, it’s just going to get harder and harder for people to find what they want, while simultaneously choking off exposure to these ’grifflings’ or whatever tag they get stuck with.
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I say we wait a bit and let the people with hippogriff ocs ((such as vintage collection, cirrus, crafted, delta dart, digital import etc, talk and decide what they would want to be called
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But there has to be some way of distinguishing between the fanon style and the new canon hippogriffs. I’d argue there should have been one before, since people looking for classical hippogriffs may not want a search cluttered with the fanon ones, but that’s beside the point now.

Keeping both under an umbrella ’hippogriff’ tag is fine, but I’ll continue to argue that there should be subtags to distinguish the two.
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People always tag things in ways that go against the rules. As Gyro says, other people will come along and fix them. That’s why the tagging system is public, isn’t it?
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Seapony was split off from the sea pony tag to differentiate it from the G1 incarnation (which is more of a seahorse, limb-less), though it looks like sea pony needs some policing.

Could do the same thing here, with hippogriff (g4) and hippogriff (fanon) eliminating the base hippogriff tag entirely or aliasing it into the g4 version.


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If I drew a creature with a lion head and mane, forelegs, and paws, clawed eagle’s legs in back and feathered fan tail I suspect people would (rightfully) object to me tagging it as a griffon.
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They could just do what they do for unicorns and classic unicorns. Two tags on the pic. Just tag the ’classic hippogriffs’ as such. Overall it’s a bit of a silly debate. Just unnecessary tagging for the sake of tagging.
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Right, but there’s ways to eliminate the need, like I mention above, where if the tags were hippogriff (g4) and hippogriff (fanon) you would get prompted to choose one or the other when you start typing h-i-p-p-o.
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Except it’s not ’tagging for the sake of tagging’. As it stood before this was brought up, there was literally no way to distinguish, via tags, between a fanon-style hippogriff oc like Cirrus, a classic style oc like Silver Quill, or a movie style hippogriff. Despite the fact that, visually and anatomically, the former is very distinctive from the latter two.

And we’re currently discussing having two tags on a pic, as with classical unicorns.
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But the problem there, that I could see, is that the ’fanon’ hippogriffs are far more populous than the g4 or traditional versions.

I think that applying a tag to the g4 ones would work. As I said with the unicorns before, take the lesser populated group, and give them a more defining tag. Splitting the tag, forcing the ’pseudos’ out, all that’s going to do is complicate searches and make several sparsely populated tags rather than one umbrella tag. Or at least that’s how I see it.
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There’s no real reason for them to be tagged as hippogriffs if they aren’t actually hippogriffs. Referring to them as such is just incorrect by the definition of hippogriff. Sure, it’s what everyone is used to, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t change. If it’s incorrect, it should be changed, even if we’ve all grown accustomed to the way it was.
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The word "hippogriff" quite literally translates to "horse griffon". That leads one to believe that as long as the character is a mix between a horse and a griffon, they’re considered a hippogriff regardless of design.

Traditionally, yes, the design for a hippogriff is "the head of an eagle and the body of a horse". However, as Umami said, there are also two main tags for a unicorn here; one for "unicorn" (show style) and one for "classical unicorn". Different designs in some aspects, but they’re still both considered to be unicorns none the less.

If you want to add another tag to differentiate between "fanon" and "g4", that’s one thing, but we shouldn’t be ripping tags away from characters years later after they’ve been well established.

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MLP is about as accurate with mythology as Call of Duty is accurate as a military sim. If we’re putting this into perspective with the majority of the userbase here, wouldn’t it make more sense to consolidate the tags for the ease of the users instead of making it more confusing by diversifying them? This is a pony image board, not the CIA World Factbook where people use tags to narrow down their searches for very specific information. Hippogriffs are bird horses and are an easy and already long established way for people to search for the images that they’re looking for. No need to over complicate things for the many more people who aren’t nearly as invested in this kind of thing. :x
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Distinguishing with sub-tags seems to be the direction that things are already swinging towards, and personally I’m okay with that, so long as there’s a point of distinguishing between the two.

As for etymology, I’d counter by saying that hippogriffs already have a pretty consistent portrayal in other media/myth. Simply going back to the root of the word is a little silly, especially considering linguistic drift :P

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So are you saying that you don’t think there should be any distinction between the various forms at all, or just arguing against splitting the tags up entirely?
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