Fanon Style Hippogriffs and Classical-G4 Style Hippogriffs

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I’m pretty sure the only thing that prevents this action from being clearly defined as vandalism is ambiguity in the wording of part 8 of Rule 2:
 
Tag and source vandalism is prohibited. This includes bulk adding/removing/modifying tags on a large quantity of images without permission, adding tags to images in which they do not pertain to, and modifying source URLs to point towards invalid, inaccurate, or useless addresses.
 
I know that @Joey has already addressed the legitimacy of using the site’s API (which is perfectly fine), but it seems that the biggest factor in determining whether or not this was vandalism was whether “permission” means a clear directive from relevant site staff or whether “permission” means actual permission from the artist. Can we get an administrator to clear up the actual definition of “permission” as it’s used in part 8 of Rule 2?
 
If it’s the first definition, then @GyroTech simply didn’t exercise the appropriate amount of responsibility associated with that level of power. If it’s the second definition though, I personally know a good few artists who have had their work affected by the action that did not give permission and would have protested the change, which seems to teeter on the applicability of part 6 of Rule 2.
 
 
PS: ‘Griffling’ is a terrible idea for a tag in terms of what it’s supposed to be describing in the context proposed by this thread.
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I personally like  
Griffequus / Gryphequus  
Demigriff / Demigryph  
Griffasus / Gryphasus
 
Not a fan of Griffling (sounds dumb, plus too gryphon for something which is arguably less gryphon) or equigriff/equigryph. Doesn’t roll off the tongue as well.
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PS: ’Griffling’ is a terrible idea for a tag in terms of what it’s supposed to be describing in the context proposed by this thread.
 
How do you feel about the other names people have proposed?
 
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Demigriff is already an accepted thing in pop culture, see warhammer and a couple other IPs to mean wingless griffons, but still I’m not opposed, it sounds fine, and is not anything on this site.
 
Though I personally like most griffequus out of those three you’ve put forth.
Happycamper

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This is probably a decision that’s better made with greater consensus. As I said, I think the idea has been rather soured by the earlier tagging conduct displayed, and it’s probably past the point of being constructive at this stage.
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@Happycamper  
Obviously the name best made by consensus. I’m not changing anything, just voicing my opinion. I dont have much stake in what that hippgriff subgroup gets called tbh.
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@GyroTech  
I like gryphequus too, implies part gryphon and part horse.  
Demigriffs don’t have wings, and since you seem influenced enough by ‘traditional mythology’ to make this whole thread I feel it wouldn’t be right to kick hippogriffs into their own tag for not being ‘mythologically accurate’ straight into a new tag which is just as inaccurate if not moreso.
Happycamper

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>I don’t have much stake in it  
>dozens of posts on this thread  
>Already mass vandalised peoples’ galleries with tag changes.
 
I think that that says everything, really. We should honestly drop this because I don’t think this is a constructive discussion after this long. What we’ve established is that there’s not really a widespread push to make this happen, and that a fair few artists aren’t really behind the idea, either.
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I don’t think this is a constructive discussion
 
I think it would help a constructive discussion if people stopped with personal attacks, as those tend to derail things.
 
that a fair few artists aren’t really behind the idea, either.
 
I haven’t read through this thread in one sitting so I may have missed some posts, which artists are against adding sub tags?
Happycamper

@GyroTech
 
Sadly I’m afraid that you’re one of a minority of people interested in a separate tag, from what I’m seeing here.
 
@nirvash
 
This was by no means a personal attack, but given the response of artists to having their tags changed without their consent, I’d argue that the waters have been muddied significantly at this point and we’re unlikely to get a constructive resolution.
Happycamper

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That’s certainly not what I’d consider to be a huge number of people, and I feel as if we’d need greater cause to actually bring that change in. Like I say, under the circumstances I don’t anticipate a constructive resolution to this discussion.
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Generally, using a bot to mass-change tags would definitely be in violation of rule #2, and a great way to ensure that your API key mysteriously disappears from the database. But this is more of a unique situation stemming from a misunderstanding, instead of someone acting with malicious or negligent intent.
 
To be honest, permission for such a thing wouldn’t really be all that common either. Usually when it comes to tag changes, it’s always been up to the site staff to actually implement an agreed-upon change, not the member requesting the change. This is largely in part due to the fact that site staff have access to tools that allow bulk-editing of tags in a more controlled and thorough manner.
 
This is especially true when it comes to mass-replacing a tag. Gyro’s bot simply removed “hippogriff” and added the “griffling” tag. It worked well, but that’s all it did. What it didn’t do though was update any watch lists or filters that referenced the hippogriff tag - that’s something that only the mod tools can do. That means that anyone watching the hippogriff tag would’ve stopped seeing them in their watch lists, while anyone filtering that tag would’ve started seeing them again.
 
If someone wanted to try out a bulk-tagging script they wrote, we’d likely be willing to work with them and let them play around, but that would have to come from a site developer, since we’d have to verify there was no collateral damage, and make sure that anything that it couldn’t handle (like filters and watch lists) were still updated appropriately.
 
This all stemmed from a huge misunderstanding though. Stuff like this is typically only “approved” once a general consensus is reached. However, since staff have always carried out/implemented whatever was decided, we really never have had anything explicitly stating that either - if it was approved, the staff would do it, and if it wasn’t, then they wouldn’t do it. This was kinda a unique situation that we’ve not really faced before, at least to this extent.
 
Since it was a misunderstanding though, I’m not holding it against Gyrotech. I’m not particularly thrilled about how things transpired, but he didn’t do anything wrong either, as he did follow the proper procedure and we didn’t have any kinda documentation stating how tag change suggestions are approved and/or implemented. So I’ll work with the tagging staff (once I’m less sleep deprived) to come up with a written guide about how suggestions are handled, and possibly re-word that section of the rules as well, to hopefully prevent this from recurring in the future.
 
TL;DR: No one did anything wrong, but things were definitely done in the wrong way
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@Happycamper  
Out of this thread, thats the majority I think, i’d have to double check but pretty sure. One cant really count those who dont voice an opinion publicly, as one never knows. And even still, the futa tag was actually changed to exlude male herms due to one outspoken member.
 
@Joey  
Can you even do it through the API? Huh, my was a chrome script. Its certainly not documented afaik.
 
Oh another question just for my curiosity, what happens to complex filters? DO those get properly updated too?
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@Joey  
Ahh gotcha, that definitely helped make much more sense of the current situation. Thanks for clarifying! ^^
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@GyroTech  
I’m pretty sure you can manipulate tags via the API. I’ve never tried, TBH.
 
Complex filters wouldn’t update as they’re written, but aliases do redirect the tags too, so if “Tag A” is aliased into “Tag B”, and someone has “Tag A” in their complex filter, the site would be smart enough to interpret that as “Tag B” instead.
 
@Ganix  
No problem!
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I was actuaLily thinking to myself the day before this whole thing happened about the whole show hippogriff vrs “us” hippogriff. But i wanted to wait till night mare nights to discuss it in person with other. But then this all happened :P
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If this is still relevant, I fully support the idea of keeping “hippogriff” as a base tag for every hybrid or chimera of horse with bird/griffon, while adding “classical hippogriff” for the version from mythology and the show and whatever tag the artists prefer for the fanon pegasus-with-claws-and-a-lion-tail version.
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Went ahead and updated the opening post with the name suggestions and a clarification of the direction this discussion has headed in.
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A vast majority of the people involved with this didn’t want a separate tag to begin with, so it’s going to be difficult to get their input on something they didn’t care for in the first place.
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@Ralek  
Hes right. Most of us with our hippogriff ocs havent even given a glance at this post.
 
 
Can we just make the call here mods please?  
Hippogriff- mane tag with the classical hippogriff, and gryphequues sub tags?
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