[NSFW] 'Vagina' vs 'Vulva', or why do people *still* get them confused.

Sakaki1999

Hello, people of Derpibooru. I can’t believe it’s taken this long for me to finally create a thread in a Derpi forum, even if it’s a topic that might stir a little controversy. Heh, though I’m sure the moderators are happy that I’m finally taking this discussion here. :P
 
Well, here goes.
 
Ever since the turn of the 21st century, I feel that our society is chock-full of uneducated, and frankly not particularly bright young men who cannot tell the difference between a vagina and a vulva. This, even though Derpibooru’s tags for each make it quite clear what the difference is: the internal parts of the female genitals, and the external parts, respectively. Now, I can give a pass to the artwork here that was uploaded in the first 3 years of this site, because this was before ‘vulva’ had its own tag. But it baffles me to think that people still erroneously tag ‘vulva’ with ‘vagina’.
 
Do you understand what I’m getting at? I could be missing out on some otherwise damn fine ‘vulva’ pics, but do not know they exist, merely because someone else tagged it ‘vagina’ instead. I usually follow this rule of thumb: if there’s inner labia, or ‘pink’ showing, then it’s a vagina. If only the ‘cleft of Venus’ is prominent with no pink showing, then it’s a vulva. And that’s why I made myself a self-appointed crusader out to right this ‘wrong’ and tag pictures with what the proper word is.
 
Frankly, I think this picture sums it up better than I could.
 
[NSFW art] >>463239
 
I feel your pain, Twilight. :P Judging from the tired look on her face, she’s tried repeatedly to pound this into Spike’s head, but to no avail.
 
Now, I know that a lot of people are going to disagree with me on this. They’re going to retort “It’s just porn, it doesn’t fyayin’ matter.” To which I rebut, then why did Derpibooru even create the ‘vulva’ tag in the first place? To tell the difference apart, that’s why. Quite frankly, I think that Derpi is the only imageboard in existence today that has a prominent ‘vulva’ tag! Most other image board sites, pony or furry or anime, don’t even have that. They just call the whole female genitals ‘p*ssy’, which is, quite frankly to me, really gross and crude. Some anime image boards do make up for it somewhat: Gelbooru uses ‘cleft of venus’ for the vulva cleft, which is a nice compromise.
 
Well anyway, that’s my little rant over. Now I brace myself for the oncoming torrent.
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Technically, the vulva includes the mons pubis, labia majora, labia minora, clitoris, bulb of vestibule, vulval vestibule, urinary meatus, greater and lesser vestibular glands, and the vaginal opening.
 
It’s my understanding that a piece shouldn’t be tagged “vagina” unless you can see into the vaginal canal by way of spreading the vaginal opening itself, or the particular piece features X-ray vision.
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Yeah, so “pink showing” technically still gets the “vulva” tag unless one can see into the vaginal canal itself. So, I think she’d need to be spreading her labia and the vaginal canal opening (or transparent/translucent toy/invisible penis insertion) for the “vagina” tag to properly apply.
 
What do you think?
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@Sakaki1999  
It’s a discussion that has happened before on the site, and probably needs to be looked at again just to make sure the tags are where we want them to be.
 
So there’s no reason to delete the thread.
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Seconded that pusyay is gross and crude. It has another life as a gender-bashing slur too, so y’know, we oughtn’t to go there. So thanks for raising it, while the thread lasts. FWIW, I’m entirely behind you on your campaign against ignorance!
 
The poetic terms make me laugh, sorry ☺ I wonder what those sites were thinking? They’re not exactly running a 19th century marriage guide for nervous bachelor clerks and prim maiden telegraph operators…
 
I think separate terms like we have here at d’boo right now is a reasonable approach. It’s certainly easier to stick with a distinction that’s currently being made, even badly, than it is to merge stuff together and have to fix it later. Merely unmangling poor Medley’s unintended tag merger was bad enough, and that was only a two-horse, thousand-image pileup.
 

 
For what it’s worth, if people stomp and insist on “one rough body location and type = one term”, the compromise space isn’t exactly neat or simple either. It starts looking like a rather extensible set when you start thinking about it…
 
female genitalia  
ambiguous genitalia  
male genitalia  
[even in the real world, there sure are a lot of wonderful types of] genitalia  
oh god, you horse people do WHAT to stallions’ genitalia  
hermaphroditic genitalia  
featureless genitalia  
[those horny humans sure do like to imagine interesting new kinds of] genitalia
 
I don’t claim complete knowledge of the space despite, or more accurately because of, having seen a lot of porn. I am but an ignorant yokel here. You good folks’ll be wanting to reach out respectfully to trans, intersex, and fetish folks alike to map this space out properly.
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I will ask once again, will a moderator please delete this thread.
 
This is an appropriate discussion for the community to have about these tags.
 
It’s not personal - and it’s not your call - just unsubscribe from the thread.
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Yes, but I made a mistake posting this. And I need to make up for it. I don’t care if this ‘discussion’ actually made a couple of people interested. And I’m not going to unsubscribe. My request still stands.
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There has to be a balance between descriptiveness and utility. Subdividing broad categories into dozens of niche terms - especially when most of those terms are unlikely to have any consensus of meaning - could easily generate a situation in which images are flooded with tags that all essentially describe the same thing. That isn’t useful.
 
I’m sure we can work something out.
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For what it’s worth, if people stomp and insist on “one rough body location and type = one term”, the compromise space isn’t exactly neat or simple either. It starts looking like a rather extensible set when you start thinking about it…
— female genitalia
— ambiguous genitalia
— male genitalia
— [even in the real world, there sure are a lot of wonderful types of] genitalia
— oh god, you horse people do WHAT to stallions’ genitalia
— hermaphroditic genitalia
— featureless genitalia
— [those horny humans sure do like to imagine interesting new kinds of] genitalia
 
That’s interesting about ambiguous genitalia. I had no idea before I did an image search.
 
Focusing back on “vulva vs vagina”, the vulva is the exterior opening of the vagina. When I went back and added the “vulva” tag to a bunch of images that already had “vagina” tagged, I left “vagina” there because it’s technically not wrong.
 
I’ve only added the “labia” tag to pictures showing prominent inner labia folds, but I’m wondering if that’s redundant. All vulva have inner and outer labia, too. Some people really like big labia.
 
…I suppose it’s no different than tagging something “big balls”.
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We’ve been over this before. This is not a medical forum, making the distinction is pointless.
 
Literally all it does is make searching more annoying.
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