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What are you talking about? I discuss it out of interest to learn, not be like “ROAR BARRY SMASH.”
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>religion in the comments
Uh oh, it’s the atheist inquisition.
 
it could’ve been over, y’know… like, 4 months ago.
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>religion in the comments
 
Uh oh, it’s the atheist inquisition.
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Right?
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Dat comments section
 
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This now makes me wonder if “Stone them to death” was meant in another way, like “Stone them, meaning tell them about the word. When they repent, the adulterer is dead and in place of the adulterer is one who isn’t adulterous.” and it was misheard.
This adds so much more context to the verse. Previously, I wasn’t aware that the Pharisees were just trying to trap Jesus again as I wasn’t familiar of Roman laws.
… And I have to confess that yesterday and the other day I was thinking my neighbor was disturbing (she was yelling “Get the %*$@ in in here” to her young kids) and I said she was disturbing, but I didn’t say that to her. Yet only after I said it was I feeling disturbed. So was that being judgmental/judging like Jesus said to not do? I know discerning is OK, to see what to do and what to not do.
 
Actually, a lot of times it’s the attitude that’s important.
 
“21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.”  
  • Matthew 5: 21-24
     
    The Teacher calls everyone to forgive, to turn the other cheek, to be innocent as doves yet wise as serpents, to be discerning, and to love one another:
     
    “35Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”  
  • Matthew 22:35-40
     
    When asked who one’s neighbor was, the Teacher brought up one of the most hated “enemies” of the orthodox Jews, the Samaritans, who had a different interpretation of Mosaic Law. He told a parable about a man who was beaten and robbed by bandits while on the road, and left for dead. A priest came by, but when he saw the beaten man, passed him on the other side without stopping. A Levite came by, a member of the holy family appointed to be representatives of God, but he, too, passed the beaten man by. But then came a Samaritan, who saw and took pity on the man, and bandaged his wounds with expensive medicines, and brought him to an inn, and left the innkeeper two day’s wages, promising before leaving to reimburse the innkeeper any expenses if he looked after the man. As the Teacher commands us, “go and do likewise”.
     
    Too often those who claim to be Followers of the Teacher cherry-pick from His teachings, and focus on meting out judgement and forcing others into conforming with their beliefs. The Teacher did not force His teachings on anyone. In fact, He commands His disciples to “shake off the dust of your feet” if others don’t listen to you and move on. Remember the words of the angels at His Nativity: “And on Earth, Peace, Goodwill towards mankind.” The Teacher’s message is a message of love, mercy, generosity, kindness, compassion, joy, patience, faithfulness, honesty, perseverence, loyalty, friendship, peace, and self-control, of salvation for all mankind - a free salvation that comes without cost to us, because the Teacher paid the full price Himself with His own death. He never told His followers to kill or exact judgement on anyone, because only the Perfect One can judge, and “All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.”
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@wanderingmagus
 
This now makes me wonder if “Stone them to death” was meant in another way, like “Stone them, meaning tell them about the word. When they repent, the adulterer is dead and in place of the adulterer is one who isn’t adulterous.” and it was misheard.
 
This adds so much more context to the verse. Previously, I wasn’t aware that the Pharisees were just trying to trap Jesus again as I wasn’t familiar of Roman laws.
 
… And I have to confess that yesterday and the other day I was thinking my neighbor was disturbing (she was yelling “Get the %*$@ in in here” to her young kids) and I said she was disturbing, but I didn’t say that to her. Yet only after I said it was I feeling disturbed. So was that being judgmental/judging like Jesus said to not do? I know discerning is OK, to see what to do and what to not do.
wanderingmagus
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Also, Where does the “Let he who has not sinned throw the first stone” part come in? That puzzled me.
 
In response to the first link, I am well aware, and intended my response to mean that the statement was not, in fact, a verse or direct quotation from the Bible, although its meaning maybe easily seen in the Bible from the verses I referenced.
 
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her” comes from John 8:7, when teachers of the Law and Pharisees dragged an adulterous woman in front of Jesus, asking whether the Law of Moses should be obeyed, since the Law stated that adulterers should be stoned to death, but Roman law forbade capital punishment outside the courts. If Jesus had responded with a negative, they would be able to accuse Him of not following the Laws set down by the Almighty, and if He had responded with a positive, they would be able to accuse Him of rebelling against Roman authority. But instead of falling into their trap, Jesus instead pointed out their own hypocrisy, as He does numerous other times, responding that only One without sin should mete out the punishment prescribed by Law for sin. When the Teachers of the Law found they could not cast any stones, each left, until only Jesus and the woman remained. Rather than stoning her, He then informed her that none of her accusers remained to condemn her, and as such He, the sinless Judge, also will not condemn her - rather, He orders her to leave her life of sin. As a sinless Lamb, He takes on the punishment that by the Law should have fallen on her, upon Himself, just as He took on the punishment of all the sin of all humans, past, present and future. Only He was qualified to judge others for their sin, because He Himself was sinless. “Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the LORD.” “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you.”
 
A true follower of Yeshua ben Yosef would pay heed to these verses, as well as to the verses commanding His followers to “Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you”. Unfortunately, too many self-proclaimed Christians these days follow in the footsteps of the Pharisees, accusing others of having a speck in their eye while ignoring the plank in their own eye, taking pride in bringing down judgement on others, and showering their “enemies” with hate, in direct contrast to the commands of the One they claim to follow.
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That helps out so much. Thanks.
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@BarryFromMars  
Tax collectors had two major problems. One, they interfaced with the Roman government, so that automatically put’s them in the doghouse. Two, they were often guilty of extracting excessive taxes from the public so they could line their own pockets. Their reputation as scumbags was pretty ubiquitous.
 
In answer to your other question, Jesus was pointing out that people ought to have a care when they’re condemning people, because the same measurement of holiness would find those stone-throwing hypocrites equally worthy of death. The idea, once again, is to be merciful, rather than a bloodthirsty, superior jerkface.
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@wanderingmagus
 
http://www.plainsimplefaith.com/2013/06/the-bible-doesnt-say-love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin-the-defense-series/
 
Also, Where does the “Let he who has not sinned throw the first stone” part come in? That puzzled me.
 
@OptimusPrimevil
 
Did people think “Taxation is theft, so the tax collectors are thieves”?
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@wanderingmagus  
makes you wonder what tax collectors ever did to be considered as bad as sinners.
 
it’s just a darn job.
wanderingmagus
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Didn’t you ever read the “Love the sinner, hate the sin” verse? Yes it is in the Bible, you can Google it now. There’s also that other verse where Jesus sits down to eat with a tax collector, if I remember right. See, tax collectors weren’t really thought of as Holy then so they would’ve gotten a lot of flack. Then after that verse a Pharisee (Someone correct me if I remember this wrong) asks something like “How can he sit with such an evil man?” and Jesus says something to the effect of “Those who are well don’t need a doctor. I’m here to heal the sick, to give aid to those who need help.”
Really. I may have not read the whole Bible from cover to cover at this time, but I do know that’s all in there.
 
“Love the sinner, hate the sin” is attributed to Mahatma Gandhi and St. Augustine. It’s not in the Bible. What IS in the Bible are verses like “Love your enemies, do good to those that hurt you, bless those that curse you, pray for those that persecute you” or “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you” or “Let him who has no sin throw the first stone”.
 
And yes, Jesus was willing to sit with tax collectors and “sinners” for exactly the reason you stated.
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No, they’re not.
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Alas no, they are.
 
They’re just incredibly shitty ones.
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@BigMax  
The WBC are not Christians by any measurement you can locate in the Bible. Just a bunch of real life trolls, basically.
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Don’t be hatin’.
 
He basically said “Hey there’s a lot of greedy bullshit going on here. Strip this shit back to what’s actually in the text please.”
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Ok, that’s the point of what I was saying before. From that Wikipedia page, I’ve found this one that lists all the different Mormons sects alone. There are 85 of them. Many extinct, but most of them based on a single city, or founded by a single preacher and/or led by his descendants.
 
“Thanks, Martin Luther!”
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The Mormon fundamentalists in Bountiful have divided into two groups:
 
They’re 1000 and they divided?
 
about half are members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS Church),
 
If they call themselves “fundamentalists” with no shame, you pretty much know they’re fucked up.
 
and the other half are members of the Church of Jesus Christ Inc.,
 
*facepalm*  
Are you f’ing kidding me?!
 
Ok, that’s the point of what I was saying before. From that Wikipedia page, I’ve found this one that lists all the different Mormons sects alone. There are 85 of them. Many extinct, but most of them based on a single city, or founded by a single preacher and/or led by his descendants.
 
It’s no surprise that this leads to fundamentalisms, extreme views and outdated positions. Those in Bountiful are still polygamists, geez!
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See also: Bountiful, B.C. They haven’t gone that far, but they’re pretty much the sole reason Canadians tend to have a ludicrously lower opinion of Mormons than Americans.
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@Mildgyth  
Wow, that’s fucked up.