Many athiests have faith. Faith is almost universally a human trait. Religion is taking that faith and twisting it into THEIR idea, preventing it from being personal. Believing in God does not make you a Christian, and neither does believing in Jesus. Otherwise I’m a Christian. But I’m not, I’m an athiest with faith. A faithiest.
I already said I know many Christians who do not follow the Bible, ones who find the things within nothing less than barbaric. I know this. But here’s the thing. You’re a bad christian if you don’t follow the bible. Real Christians hate these types. These Christian posers. But I love them, since they’re with me. Believers in humanity, athiests.
I never said there was no god of any sort. I said the Christian God is provably false. Other Gods though? It’ll take me a while to disprove the 1000s of them. Or maybe find the real ones among them. But they aren’t relevant to this. Yahweh is not real was what I said and meant, nothing else or more. And you agree with me.
If God is something else, not a being but a force, then this God has gone far from being the Abrahamic one. Now you’re crossing over into other religions, or general faiths. I am impressed you can even have this belief in such a strict enviroment.
Being a Christian is literally about following the bible and following their moral codes. Following Jesus and spreading love and justice? That’s not a Christian thing at all. I see it everywhere, everyday. That’s a human thing.
I just outed you as a closet athiest. I feel what I’m doing is fully worth it. Now I’ve come away from this knowing you’re someone I could enjoy talking about faith with. You’re open minded and kind. This is progress. The problem only begins when you decide to join a faction that excludes others. Unlike religion, Athiesm will never demand that you be a certain sexuality or race or anything of the sort to join. There are no barriers of devision here. Enjoy being free!
Well, I don’t know where you’re from, or what church you were brought up in, but I’ve never heard any of my fellow Christians say anything about ghosts and spirits being nonsense because of the bible. I don’t know where you’re getting this lidea that religion “rejects” spirituality and faith, because that is literally the basis for religion as a whole.
That kind of thinking only comes from a misunderstanding of the faith, both within the faith and without. It may not occur to you, but the vast majority of Christians worldwide disagree with the current teachings on things like sexual morality and abortion, two positions on which I am firmly and unapologetically liberal. It’s not about “following the rules”, it’s about spreading and living Christ’s message of compassion, mercy, and unconditional love, and I scorn everyone who dares call themselves a Christian while simultaneously denigrating those who do not conform to their worldview. The “following the rules” mentality that I see within the unfortunately loud minority, such as in the conservative Evangelicals, is a detriment to the faith, and to human progress as a whole. What I was taught when becoming a Catholic was the primacy of the individual conscience, that there is no greater offense than to disobey one’s own informed conscience - a virtue which I strive to live by, and which all Christians should.
You seem to be contradicting yourself here. You say you don’t claim to know all the answers, yet you so quickly jump to the conclusion that “there is no God of any sort, and it is certainty”. If you’re referring specifically to God as a personal being, that’s one thing, and I will not discredit that observation, because, in my opinion, it is correct. But what you seem to neglect here is that there are many different ways of believing in God. Is there a personal God that presents himself as a being who can at a whim defy the laws of nature and intercede in human affairs? No. Even as a Christian, I think to believe in such a God would be ridiculous, as do, perhaps surprisingly, many other faithful. We are not just limited to thinking of God as a being, in fact, it is counterproductive to do so. I, personally, find myself believing in God as many modern theologians do - as an impersonal force that is non-interventionist. To put it simply, the depictions of God in the Bible as personal and interventionist are merely relics of ancient cult practices that were still deeply ingrained in the culture of Judea even in the age of Christ, and as such cannot hold up to scientific scrutiny. Thinking of God instead as a philosophical force, such as the “Ground of Being” or the “ordering force of the universe” is an idea that is not only reasonably sound, but completely compatible with religion. In fact, most non-Christian faiths such as Judaism and Islam hold that belief even amongst their laity.
Because, as I said before, being a Christian is not about literal interpretation of the Bible or adherence to stringent moral codes; it’s about emulating the person of Christ, standing up for injustice, resisting oppression, and giving unconditional love to everyone, especially those who are outcast and rejected. Clearly, from everything you’ve said here, you grew up in a conservative Evangelical church, because that’s the only church I could possibly conceive someone developing such an abject hatred for religion upon leaving; well, let me tell you this - they are anything but Christian.
But let me just make this clear to you, since you seem to be so intent on attacking me and many others here for our insistence on our adherence to faith: telling me not to be a Christian is just as bad as me telling you not to be an atheist; there exists freedom of religion for a reason. You have no right to claim the intellectual and moral high ground simply because a few radicals have warped your perception on religion; just as a conservative Evangelical doesn’t simply because people don’t conform to the skewed literalistic interpretation of a book, penned by ancient Jews and translated into and out of 5 languages, that they set as their worldview. You’re not enlightening anyone here by denigrating the whole of religion for the ignorance of a few, you’re not convincing people of your arguments by antagonizing them, you are simply making yourself part of the problem.
Many religions reject faith and spirituality, like in your face obviously. I have always believed in ghosts and spirits, and was told by my Christian upbringing such things werent in the bible and so were false.
Christianity is not about faith, it is not about having a connection to this force we cant see. It’s about following the rules. It is a detriment to spirituality everywhere.
Athiesm is the truth. It doesn’t know everything like religions claim to, but what it does know is at least true. That is always a constant with athiesm.
Proving God wrong is not only possible, but has been done non-stop over and over. We know with certainty that the Christian God does not exist.
Doesn’t seem to bother most people though, an alarming amount of my Christian friends don’t believe in the bible. So like, why even call yourself Christian then? But that’s become the norm now.
@LegatusFlagrans
even if I still desire to eradicate it peacefully, in a war of debates and rationality, just as we have done away using primitive technology.
@RainbowDash69
The thing is, it’s impossible to prove or disprove God.
