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Dang three wall-of-text posts in a row.
 
@Beau Skunky
Beau Skunky, Suoes maybe isn’t the worst hater, but he still is one. He may be more cerebral than Angrybrony, but he still is a hater.
 
Can you pleeeeeaaaaase PLEASE stop calling people “haters,” “liars,” or “trolls” here just ‘cause they disagree with you, or dislike your favorite character? Name-calling isn’t helping your argument. You’re coming off as way too overly protective of a fictional horse girl from a children’s show.
 
Sorry Beau Skunky, I get you like Starlight quite much, and you are annoyed and sad Starlight get’s compared unfavorably to Sunset, or has her hatedom. But Supes, is making things worse by behaving like a hater towards Sunset, and giving Starlight fans a bad name, and arguably turning people neutral towards Starlight, into hating or at least disliking her because of his behaviour. I mean, in half of comments here, he spammed how Starlight is a better character than Sunset in every possible way.
 
You defending him, also doesn’t help the situation, as it makes it seem Starlight fans will cover for haters of Sunset, and this, if anything, put’s also the Starlight fandom in a bad light.
 
What makes you assume I’m a Starlight fan? ;)  
Just ‘cause I said I prefer her a tiny bit over Sunset, doesn’t mean I worship one character, and loathe the other. Honestly, I find both characters rather generic in personality, I almost prefered them both as villains.  
I never understood the whole “Sunset VS Starlight” argument frankly.
 
In fact, ironically, I used to hate Starlight alot, (and honestly I feel she has similar flaws, and strengths as Sunset) and I hated her reformation, how quickly it was handled, and for being kinda a “karmiac houdini.” I got over it later. Maybe I’ll get over being soured with Sunset too. Overall, I don’t hate either character.
 
I think you should be concerned about how you’re making Sunset fans look, by name-calling people, jumping to conclusions about others who dislike Sunset, nit-picking every remark people make, ect.  
I don’t agree with every opinion Supes has either, but I’ve had pleasant conversations with him before regardless. (You can’t have that with an actual “hater,” or “troll.”) If you were less aggressive, less reactionary, or less accusatory, and treating him like he’s on trial, maybe he wouldn’t be aggressive back.  
You’re attacking him personally by trying to “prove” he’s a hater, and such, rather then just merely debating his opinions. That makes people react back aggressively, as well.
 
Still, maybe we’re all a bit at fault here for continuing this discussion that’s going nowhere then getting needlessly aggressive, and personal.  
Regardless, who’s at fault, you both need to calm down a bit.  
Maybe you, and Supes should just not discuss this anymore, and just end this. Neither of you are going to change the others’ mind.
 
Also, if you’re going to blame DiscipleOfAndrewRyan, then you guys could’ve ignored him, y’know?
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Look, I gather, I truly do. I myself have had to deal with people I’ve found extremely unlikable in this site as well, but at some point, you need to let go, because at this point you’re doing nobody a favor, let alone yourself. To borrow a quote from a Tumblr post:
 
“You cannot run naked after a mad man in the street after he has taken your clothes away from you because the public will not know who is the mad person between the two of you”
 
Taken from here:  
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And really… from one Sunset fan to another, let’s try to be better than this, please? I know I’m flawed as anyone else, but I try to learn from what I witness around here, what I disapprove of, to attempt to learn how to be better. Many who visits this site often can tell you I’m one of Starlight’s most vocal critics, but at the very least, I’ve tried to never suggest or imply that someone’s doing something wrong for liking them, and yet I’ve been challenged by her most vocal fanboys over and over, countless times.
 
And looking back on it, I end up wondering: What’s the point? I’ve got nothing against these people enjoying the character, I just come from time to time to express an opinion whenever I feel I need to let something out. And opinions may be like assholes, as they say, but a lot of people have sure taken issue with me having one, but for the life of me, I can’t recall a single instance where engaging these people have proven fruitful.
 
So, Supes thinks Sunset’s a badly written character? Heed my advice, please, and let him. Does he twist words and feels like “he’s really outreaching and/or projecting”? That’s his problem at worst, or may not, but it most definitely doesn’t have to be your own problem. Let him rant, because for as much as we may disagree with him, he’s got a right to let out his opinion like anybody else.
 
Between you and me, we both know Sunset’s a great character. She’s become my favorite over the years for a number of reasons, and I’ve eaten up fanfiction about her like crazy, which has proven far more fruitful than this kind of endeavor. Don’t bother with those you identify as haters because hate doesn’t heed to logic or reason. Instead, focus your attention on whatever might feel more enjoyable or productive on you. You’ve got all the right in the world to love this character, and someone else’s hate for the same thing shouldn’t afflict you, let alone make you feel like your love is any less valid.
 
Otherwise - and trust me on this one, because I speak from experience - you’re just gonna find yourself in an endless cycle of arguing that’s not gonna leave you, or anyone, satisfied. I swear, I’m just trying to look out for you, sister. Do what you will, but try to be self-aware about it.
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(I’ll ive some examples later)
aww, god-fucking-dammit, I spelled “give” wrong! *sigh* I have some serious issues. @~@
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@Supes  
That’s settled, from now on, I will only refer to you as “Super-Projector” XD
 
No seriously, at this point you even don’t really attempt to argue you didn’t lie, only write basically “I didn’t lie, you are just arrogant”. You literally have no defence, it seems XD
 
And you lie again  
A lot of Sunset’s screentime is spent on just being there.
 
Sunset, is literaly the most active character in the movies - you are I think the only person who claims such idiotic things.
 
And again, you try to justify you making up extra requirements, by using the logical fallacy of false equivalence.
 
And really, this comparison only would work, if Sunset indeed was underdeveloped, which is at best a biased view, not not an objective fact, despite what you say. But again, it shows you projection, a if anyone is arrogant, it is a person who thinks their biased views, is an objective fact XD
 
And really, how can you out of all people, call other irrational - you literally make up requirements on spot when proven fact, and deny facts shown on screen.
 
And yes, you are a hater - despite what you may think I don’t like to repeat myself, but only a hater writes _five times in a relativelly short comment that Sunset sucks as a character.:  
Sunset is a bland, boring character
 
She (Sunset Shimmer) never acts in an interesting way anymore. She’s just the Gordon Freeman of EqG.
 
Post-reformation Sunset was received well because everything else about Rainbow Rocks was superb
(implication)
 
Thinking of both characters made me realize that Sunset is only a good character in fanfics, but pretty much never in canon.
 
I will never agree that Sunset is a good character
 
 
The only resolution, is that you don’t realize yourself that you are a hater and/or reject that.
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The Continuity of Equestria Girls, and the continuity of FiM were stated to be the same.
 
The comics were also stated to be in their own continuity.
 
And did you even read what I write? The Fall of Sunset Shimmer is contradicted in numerous places in canon works. Most notably Twinkleshine, Colgate, Lyra, Moondancer and Lemon Hearts were shown to be exactly Twilight’s age:  

 
As opposed to visibly older than Twilight as in the comic:  
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And Moondancer, looks completelly different.
 
This also the case in Equestria Girls, as in Forgotten Friendship, we see the canon/cartoon Moondancer:  

 
Not to mention, in the first episode it was implied Moondancer is close to Twilight in age.
 
And really, with you claiming Sunset only wasn’t as cruell as other villains, are your assumptions.
 
If anything, she shown behaviour counter to that.
 
Sunset’s change isn’t that unrealistic – again, Sunset was in a very different situation than Starlight or Discord – they were easily forgiven, and not watched with caution, even seemingly by their friends, while Sunset was. Again, the whole school, except the Human 5, HATED her, scorned her, and Sunset would try her best, and not antagonize the Human Five, just from Survival instinct.
 
(To be clear, it’s not intentional on pony Twilight’s part – she didn’t know yet, it was shown with the Humane 5 in Rainbow Rocks, and Filthy Rich in Legend of Everfree, human counterparts, at times, appear more flawed. Or at least Twilight thought the Humane 5 had he same character growth, as their pony counterparts.).
 
And Sunset has issues being nice, or doing what’s good. Like when she jumped on Rainbow Dash, to stopped her transformation, to not reveal to Dazzling the Rainbooms can use magic, but as a result completely sabotaged the Rainbooms. She also in the same movie feared she would antagonize Dazzlings, when she thought they are just new students.
 
And again, as you pretty state you hate Sunset (ie by stating I hate Juniper Montage waaaaay more than I do with reformed Sunset), and the fact you restarted this thread after a month, exposes you as both irrational, and a hater.
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@Supes  
Guys, gals, whatever, look people, you really need to let go of this. At this point, this is becoming a discussion neither of you knows when to let go of.
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Nope, you are the one projecting here. You are astonishingly deluded, closed-minded and full of yourself, to the point where your mind rejects the possibility of someone genuinely having an opinion that differs significantly from yours.
 
I’ve not lied a single time in this comment section. The fact that you label disagreeing with you “lying” only shows your immense arrogance.
 
Having screentime doesn’t equate to being characterized. A character is characterized when a unique aspect of them is being shown, from backstory to personality trait. A lot of Sunset’s screentime is spent on just being there.
 
When you have the same distance to cover as others, while having much less time to do so, you need to increase your pace. This is friggin pre-schooler level logic and you still somehow fail to grasp the reasoning.
 
And I’m not addressing your flanderization argument because I don’t think it’s worth addressing. It could be a possibility, but it’s only that, a possibility. There are tons of characters in fiction that are characterized brilliantly in a short period of time. Nothing is saying Sunset couldn’t have been one of them.
 
And no, my status as “hater” is only maintained by irrational Sunset fanboys (fangirls, whatever) like you or Starlight haters like other people. In this very comment section we have more people actually standing up for me against your wild shittalking, which doesn’t usually happen in internet comments, but your lies are so blatant people actually felt the need to step up. This by itself should tell you something, but you are utterly incapable of self-reflection.
 
You really need to take a long, hard look at your thought process because I’ve got news for you, YOU are by far the most irrational person in this comment section.
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how is The Fall of Sunset Shimmer not part of the EqG continuity? it basically tells how Sunset became a nasty alpha bitch (what she basically was in the first Equestria Girls). if it indeed was contradicted, then the framework of the EqG series is rendered broken. you cannot simply retcon details that hold more continuity than others without destroying said continuity.
 
Sunset became cruel – but it was literal, not metaphorical or hypothetical. just because she didn’t Spike hurt did not mean she didn’t wanna; she probably thought he wasn’t worth her time… yet. (she prolly would’ve if she had all the free time in the world, who knows?) if she was excessively heinous with her classmates, wouldn’t you think she’d have the capacity to hurt an animal? again, her not doing it does not mean she wouldn’t do it. she only said she’s not a monster because she felt justified in her actions and didn’t see herself as evil or heartless – irl, a lot of people who are beyond redemption (I’ll ive some examples later) actually think this way. yes, the other villains were cruel and heartless, but Sunset was no less cruel than any of them – she just wasn’t developed to her fullest extent.
 
and I don’t think her reformation is genuine in the slightest; it’s a blatant character reset. the writers didn’t put any thought or effort into making her heel-face turn plausible. it is the most intellectually disparaging and illogical scene in the history of cartoons. I’ve seen some horrible reformations in other shows, and they’re nowhere near as God-damned awful as Sunset’s. even Diamond Tiara (who I was neutral towards for the majority of the series) had a decent 180 turn in “Crusaders of the Lost Mark” despite being a nasty brat before then.
 
I’m not being spiteful or trollish, I’m just saying Sunset is a major disappointment in the Friendship Is Magic universe, and it upsets me because she had so much potential and DHX just threw it all away. if you wanna know what I think of her character, let me just say that I find her boring and taxing as a good girl and that I like her better when she’s evil.
 
P.S. I hate Juniper Montage waaaaay more than I do with reformed Sunset if that’s any consolation for you… ¬_¬
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@Supes  
Supes, no sane person would rather claim Sunset didn’t have an anger issue.
 
And no, you are pretty much lying, or have really bizare perception of reality.
 
Which is improbable, as you lie with other things, like claiming Starlight motives weren’t at all egoistical or selfish.
 
And yes, you made up those requirements. I mean how can this be explained otherwise?:  
Thing is, the percentage might be similar to the mane6’s flaws being shown, but that’s not an excuse. Because we see Sunset so much less than the main pony characters, it just means that Sunset should’ve been characterized more intensely. If we see a character less, but the character is meant to be as well-characterized as others that have seasons of exposure, the characterization of this character should be much more concentrated. “Well, we just see less of her, which is why we see less of all the interesting stuff she must be doing” isn’t a good excuse IMO.
 
Even though Sunset is characterized intensly, to the point people accuse her of having to much spotlight. You’re whole arguments is essentially “well yes, Sunset maybe is shown as flawd as often as the Mane 6, but I think she should shown more often so, for reason I just made, and didn’t mention before”.
 
And it’s visible it’s the case, as up until this point, you didn’t counter-argue my point that it’s very probable Sunset would become Flanderized into an unsympathetic jerk character, if she was portrayed flawd as often as you requitre her (ie much more often). (Or as I mentooned, what happened to Boo from Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends – another franchise Lauren Faust had a hand it, if not in the flanderisation of Boo, that is.)
 
The sad thing is, you project so much, you accuse me of fanboyism, seeing you are the person who wrote in half of your comments of how Starlight is superior in every way towards Sunset. Just like you projected with claiming it was me who ws lying.
 
And if anyone is hopeless, it’s you - most people on this site, who know you, know you are a hater, as it was pointed out several times in this thread alone.
 
Also, I’m a gal XD
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Dude you are hopeless. How the bloody hell is “I took this scene this way” lying? I literally said that I took an aspect of that scene to mean something different than you. No sane person would be able to claim that was a lie. It was an expression of my perception. What’s wrong with you, seriously? Are you that blinded by fanboyism?
 
And no, I didn’t make those requirements up on the spot, I just figured they didn’t need to be pointed out before because they were obvious. I explained multiple times why they apply only to her but you still can’t get it. Jesus christ.
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@Beau Skunky  
Beau Skunky, Suoes maybe isn’t the worst hater, but he still is one. He may be more cerebral than Angrybrony, but he still is a hater.
 
Case in point, when he was forced to admit Sunset he amount of Sunset being shown as having flaws, is similar or identical to the Mane 6, he made up on spot extra requirements that Sunset, special only for her, thar she would have to be shown as more flawed to be well written according to him.
 
 
@Supes
 
Thing is, the percentage might be similar to the mane6’s flaws being shown, but that’s not an excuse. Because we see Sunset so much less than the main pony characters, it just means that Sunset should’ve been characterized more intensely. If we see a character less, but the character is meant to be as well-characterized as others that have seasons of exposure, the characterization of this character should be much more concentrated. “Well, we just see less of her, which is why we see less of all the interesting stuff she must be doing” isn’t a good excuse IMO.
 
(And if Sunset was shown to often flawed like Supes suggested, it’s very probable she would become Flanderized into an unsympathetic jerk character. Or what happened to Boo from Foster’s Home for Imaginary Friends – another franchise Lauren Faust had a hand it. )
 
And he isn’t above outright lying.
 
Even now, to try to claim Sunset wasn;t shown as having an anger issue before Forgotten Friendship, he lied Sunset was more came of as more embarassed or annoyed with Trixie in Rainbow Rocks, rather than very angry, which she obviously was:
 
@Supes  
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In the Trixie scene I always thought the red cheeks were because of embarassment. And our opinions on this clearly differ, but I don’t think nobody else would’ve yelled at Trixie there in Sunset’s place. To me, anger issues would require snapping at little things which don’t justify the anger. Like being annoyed by someone making a loud sound or talking too much or something.
 
Again, he tried to lie his way out that Sunset wasn’t majorly angry, when in fact she was angry, and disproportionally compared to the reason.:  

 
And another, if month ago example, was when he continuesly lied Starlight’s as villain motives weren’t at all selfish, when there is more evidence of them being selfish, rather than idealistic.
 
If anyone’s twisting facts and lying in this conversation, it would be you with this here statement. Starlight’s original motive was trying to bring true friendship to everyone the only way she thought it was truly possible: by making everyone similar enough so they’d never fight or fall apart. Twisted? Yes. Delusional? Yes. Selfish? Absolutely not. Later, her motive was revenge. Revenge isn’t the same level of selfish so much as an impulse to seek fairness after a perceived slight. Unlike her original driving force, this wasn’t altruism corrupted by a deeply broken understanding of the world, it was her trying to exact what she thought was justice. She didn’t want power for power’s sake, unlike Sunset, she didn’t want revenge on someone who denied her something she thought was owed to her, it was revenge on someone who, she thought, ruined her attempt to make the world better. Ultimately revenge is still for personal satisfaction, true, but the level of selfishness is negligible, especially compared to Sunset, because Sunset didn’t JUST want revenge, and had a different, much more selfish reason for revenge.
 
I mean, Starlight outright states, Twilight and her friends ruined just her happiness, not the happiness or well-being of her community:  
Starlight Glimmer: Change my mind? You don’t know anything about me! I was perfectly happy before you and your friends ruined what I built!
 
Again, she states the Mane 6 just ruined HER happiness, and is mad they destroyed something she built – no mention of higher motives, in a moment were Starlight could use it to defend her position, and it was a scene were Starlight had no reason for lying.
 
She further shows her motives to be self centered, when she explains them to Twilight:  
Starlight Glimmer: Because of his cutie mark! He got his, and I didn’t! He moved on, and I didn’t! I stayed here and never made another friend because I was too afraid another cutie mark would take them away, too!
 
Again, Starlight speaks all about her, and never telling it made her thing ponies (other than herself) would be happier without the concept of cutie marks.
 
So yeah from this, all we know Starlight’s motives are in reality, at least in part, egoistical and selfish.
 
And of course, Supes tried to accuse me of lying, for pointing out his lies.
 
Sorry Beau Skunky, I get you like Starlight quite much, and you are annoyed and sad Starlight get’s compared unfavorably to Sunset, or has her hatedom. But Supes, is making things worse by behaving like a hater towards Sunset, and giving Starlight fans a bad name, and arguably turning people neutral towards Starlight, into hating or at least disliking her because of his behaviour. I mean, in half of comments here, he spammed how Starlight is a better character than Sunset in every possible way.
 
Starlight is miles ahead of Sunset as a character in every possible way.
 
I was looking forward to her playing the mentor role, thankfully I got that with Starlight better than I could’ve hoped for.
 
None of that applies to Starlight. She was a much better villain, her reformation was actually not achieved by a seemingly brainwashing laser, but rather by natural persuasion, and she didn’t become a completely different character after it: her past continued to be relevant for more than a whole season. Watching her slow, incremental improvements in attitude and understanding of socialization was the most fascinating a character’s ever been in this show for me. And her relationship with Princess Twilight is one of the most heartwarming ones too, enhancing Twilight’s character beyond what I thought it could reach.
 
I will never agree that Sunset is a good character at this stage of EqG, or that Starlight is worse thant Sunset in any aspect at all
 
(from his first comment here)
 
EqG has had three great movies despite the utterly lackluster protagnist, no reason it can’t do that again, even if the shorts have been trying their hardest to ruin everything that’s ever been good about EqG… And they could always cheat like they did with Mirror Magic and make an otherwise crappy episode good just by bringing Starlight
 
I mean, he is always trying to make Starlight come of as better than Sunset in every aspect, even if the commenter wasn’t discussing Starlight, or was just saying (like I did) all in all Starlight is no worse character than Sunset, or vice versa.
 
You defending him, also doesn’t help the situation, as it makes it seem Starlight fans will cover for haters of Sunset, and this, if anything, put’s also the Starlight fandom in a bad light.
 
I defended Starlight here myself, and did admit Angrybrony behaves like a hater/is one. But I cannot deny Supes is a hater too.
 
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And while I agree with your defense of Sunset, and appreciate it (especially that Supes seems to intetonally want to start an argument/conflict), do we have try to argue one of the two sucks?
I mean, there are Sunset x Starlight shippers (growing in number), so there are people who like both.
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I do want to point out that Forgotten Friendship confirms Sunset has been a bully in the school from the start, seeing as she managed to win the custom “biggest meanie” award in their freshman year. Seems to prove my point that the row of fall formal photographs didn’t reflect her attitude as much as her willingness to pretend.
 
There’s some speculation to be done about her attitude when she lost all memories of high school. I don’t feel that the innocent display she made reflected how her attitude might have been when she’d actually arrived to CHS. I think her mood and personality pre-mindwipe kinda persisted still and didn’t just revert to their state many years prior, considering how nothing about Sci-Twi’s personality changed upon forgetting about Sunset despite Sunset having clearly been a huge influence on her. You simply don’t go from that innocent and lost to instant “biggest meanie”, especially with how Sunset described herself at the time she’d seen Princess Celestia last.
 
As for the Rainbow Rocks line about “knowing all along”, I don’t really think it doesn’t fit with her having been nasty to Celestia and everyone else. You can be making a mistake with your subconscious nagging at you in a way that you maybe don’t even notice. And you can know you’re doing something bad but feel like it’s too late to stop.
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DiscipleOfAndrewRyan, get out, you’re a complete troll, which was pointed out when you resurrected tis thread. And on another thread you pretty much stated you think all of Equestria Girls are as all bad. You’re opinion isn’t exactly credible as a critic.
 
But to humor you, the Fall of Sunset Shimmer was contradicted from canon by the start, as didn’t even ad up with what Celestia described - that she tried to help Sunset, but there wasn’t such thing in the comic.
 
Not to mention, a completelly different Moondancer, and wrong ages of her, Lyra and others (who were confirned as Twilight’s age, ad implied so in the shows first episode).
 
About Sunset, we had vague information about her - Celestia did mention she became cruell, but she could be metaphorical.
 
Especialy that in the end, Sunset was less cruell than any of the non-magically corrupted main antagonists.
 
-Discord tormented the Mane 6 to “discord” them, especially Twilight, even though he could do it without that, as shown with Fluttershy.  
-Chrysalis was cruel and sadistic multiple times  
-Sombra essentially mind r*ped Twilight  
-Tirek cruelly betrayed Discord, and gave Twilight a rather sadistic choice.  
-Starlight in the season 5 finale, became quite cruell – it’s noted by Twilight she delibatery fixed Fluttershy being bullied, so that Twilight would be forced to cause Fluttershy to be bullied again to fix the timeline, causing years of her friend’s grief, nd being now essentially responcible for it. Starlight also shot down (painfuly) fully!Rainbow Dash, to change the past, not carring the fall might cripple or even kill Dashie. And also tried to destroy the Mane 6’s friendship.
 
And yes Sunset did destroy the frriendship of the Humane 5, and bullied people, but that cannot really compete with the above. And as I mentioned before, Sunset specifically avoided needless cruelity with Spike.
 
This is something even Supes apreciated, who is at least very harshly critical of Sunset as a character (ie writing 5 times how she sucks as a character, in a short comment).
 
And really, the scenes in Forgtten Friendship and Rainbow Rocks don’t really contradict things, as much as expand her character. But again, you are the person who gives as an example a comic that contradicted canon from the start, and it got worse when canon contradicted it more and more XD
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same here. that scene was nothing special.
 
remember that one scene in Rainbow Rocks where Sunset said she knew she was making a mistake all along? it contradicts and is inconsistent with her personality in Equestria Girls and The Fall of Sunset Shimmer; it really doesn’t add up, and neither does that scene in “Forgotten Friendship”.
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The special certainly helped her character. I do think we should’ve had it way sooner, and technically it doesn’t excuse the poor handling her character’s been getting prior to it, but it did change the way I feel about Sunset for the better. Even if that thing you mention wasn’t explored too much, I felt it needed to happen one way or another, the fact that it hadn’t happened was nagging at me and I’m glad this special points out that Sunset might have indeed been putting it off herself.
 
I still wouldn’t say she’s as multifaceted or colorful as most main characters of the show but she definitely made a great leap with this special.
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Might wanna spoiler some of that please, I haven’t seen it yet.
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@Supes  
So did this special change your opinion on Sunset’s character, or, as you stated previously, it was a bit too late? How did you feel about the Celestia reunion? I personally didn’t think much of it simply because the writes never explored her relationship with Celestia. All we know is that she left her studies due to being impatient and not getting what she wanted. In fact I think there’s only one line prior to this special where Sunset even mentions Celestia. I honestly thought it was more of a fanservice thing than actually developing her character.
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@BackgroundLoL  
Honestly, those statements of his are actually not as bad as things I’ve seen actual “haters” say about other characters. (The only one kinda biased is him stating he prefers Starlight, and such. Still, it’s his opinion. If you have a right to prefer Sunset, he has a right to prefer Starlight.)
 
Unlike people like Angrybrony, (no offense to him) he doesn’t resort to name-calling Sunset as “trash.” That’s more of a “hater” attitude then just saying he doesn’t think she’s a “good/interesting” character. Also, you don’t highlight the moments where Supes occasionally states moments he likes things Sunset does, or says something positive about her.  
“Haters” usually can’t say anything good about a character like that. Supes can actually give reasons, and opinions of why he dislikes her unlike most mindless “haters” whom just go, “Graagh! I H8 this character so much! They shuldz dye!”
 
I think people are picking on Supes a bit too much, he honestly seems like a decent guy to me. His only crime is being a bit blunt with his opinions sometimes. Though, the same could be said for almost everyone else in this thread, even me.
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@Josh103  
Yeah, but I’ve grown to accept it since after the fourth movie. I haven’t liked almost anything that they’ve put out EqG-wise since then, so I’ll take what I can get and expect nothing.
 
@BackgroundLoL  
You are completely deluded, but I welcome the end of conversation, because from where I’m standing it’s you who can’t be reasoned with. You believe you “prove” things by stating your opinion and don’t even remotely attempt to udnerstand others’. You’re way too arrogant about what ultimately is just your subjective take on things and your weak attempts to make an objective point out of it which don’t even approach “proving” or “disproving” anything as you believe. It’s literally like talking to a wall, you discard everything I say and repeat your wild accusations and bold claims.
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@Supes  
Yeah. What happened in this special should’ve happened much earlier methinks. I’m glad we got it either way.
 
Though she probably won’t get something like this special for a while.
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@Supes  
What I understand, it’s once one of your made up arguments was proven completelly invalid, you litterally made up extra requirements for Sunset, to count as a well writen character.
 
If anythig, it’s more comparable to you blocking a kid from getting at tome to school, as you decided he must needs to have more complicated for some reason.
 
And you are now literally playing stupid, ignoring the fact you shown how biased you are.
 
And as you ignored that point when I wrote it, a character cannot be shown to often as flawed, including in a movie, as they become unsypathetic. There is a ballance to everything.
 
But you ignore that.
 
That’s what I meant by you reject reality and substitute with your own.
 
Supes, I’m ending discussing with you, as you are just a hater, and you cannot be reasoned with.
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I’m struggling to see how you managed to not understand my point.
 
That requirement applies to Sunset because we see much less of her due to her being confined to EqG. The human versions of the mane6 get all of the mane6’s characterization, but Sunset is a totally new character that the writers are fully aware they don’t have the same amount of screentime to work with. Which means that to get the same level of characterization they needed to cram many seasons’ worth of characterization into a much shorter timeframe that Sunset had.
 
It’s like, if you are late to school because you overslept, you hurry, do everything quickly and then run the whole way instead of walking. You don’t get to be as slow as someone who has the whole morning, miss the first two periods and say “hey, don’t make up special requirements for me, I washed, ate and walked at the same speed as everyone else”.
 
How is this hard to understand?
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@Supes  
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Thing is, the percentage might be similar to the mane6’s flaws being shown, but that’s not an excuse. Because we see Sunset so much less than the main pony characters, it just means that Sunset should’ve been characterized more intensely. If we see a character less, but the character is meant to be as well-characterized as others that have seasons of exposure, the characterization of this character should be much more concentrated. “Well, we just see less of her, which is why we see less of all the interesting stuff she must be doing” isn’t a good excuse IMO.
 
How can you still claim you are not a hater? You literally make up special requirements for Sunset, that for you don’t apply to other characters!? That’s a definition of having a visible bias at least!
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@Josh103  
I feel that shis special needed to happen instead of that Anon-a-miss comic back in the day. Both the Celestia thing and a real demonstration of the fact that she can still get scary angry needed to be shown much earlier IMO. As well as just how much she values the friendships of the humane6 (would’ve been 5 at that point, but still). Sure, it’s known that she values them, but this was the best emotionally strong SHOWING of it.
 
It would’ve changed the way I looked at her character throughout the subsequent appearances. Heck, even her weaker cases of anger would’ve looked differently with this context. I’m gonna try to retroactively apply this to her character, but I’m afraid it will just feel dishonest to me, like I’m giving the EqG writing too much slack.
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