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"[@Masque Raccoon":](/1119260#comment_4974392
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"Yes, ponies came to her town because they were unhappy and thought her Equality stance would help. I never contradicted that, so this point isn’t really relevant(?!?). I was merely speaking to Starlight’s motives, not the other ponies in her town."
Are...are you serious?
They're completely interconnected! Starlight's motives are completely connected with how and why her village was formed. When you ignore that, then there's a huge gaping hole in your interpretation of Starlight's motives.
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"I think the real disconnect here is that you see my interpretation of her motives as "fanon" while yours are not."
I'll stick with the stuff established thank you. And the actual established dialogue, there are tons of issues that were legitimate problems in Equestria that Starlight and her village experienced that were never addressed for past and future experiences, but was instead swept under the rug.+__The stuff not isolated to Starlight herself is crucial to how this insultingly dumbed down redemption phase makes no sense+
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Without considering how her motivations grew with the motivations of her villagers, then you are ignoring a huge chunk of her character.
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"As for those ponies, all we know is they now consider the town their home. No other reason is given for them remaining. While your point may be true (they’re staying because they haven’t solved their cutie mark dilemma), it’s also not stated in the episode.+__**All** we know is that the season has passed, they’ve stayed in the town and it hasn’t fallen apart.+__ They’re doing alright, as far as that goes."
Making her entire philosophy that the finale hastily tried to write as completely wrong...
...a giant question mark with no answers. Her entire redemption arc they've slapped on to her character has a dozen unanswered issues or contradicting retcons, and is an absolute insult to the backstories of everyone in Starlight's village. Do you honestly wonder why many, many consider her the worst written character now?
Also, again, if you want to stick with your fanon idea that them still living completely isolated from their old lives somehow means that all their issues have been resolved, good for you. It don't recall them ever stating 'them living there'='issues solved'.
As for the actual canon, they all left their old lives cause they're cutie marks made them miserable, and they have yet to establish any of them gaining closure. No solution has actually been presented.
Plus, if your NOT stating that their issues have been resolved, then why are you pretending that this blank state redemption of her's means anything if Starlight was partially right?
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"Also, you misuse the term retcon. Having new information revealed is not a retcon. A retcon would be if something in the episode said that prior depicted events did not happen or at least did not happen as depicted in the previous episode."
Which is what happened. The original episode stated that all the ponies wanted to have their cutie marks removed, and now the writers want to paint a pretend picture that the evil Starlight stole all their cutie marks against their will and not because they desired it.
Therein lies the contradiction, and therein lies the retcon. Let's not beat around the bush about it.
Also, while this other thing isn't a complete retcon, it IS an elaboration that contradicts its own idea. Sunburst was sent to Celestia's school because he showed excess magical talent when his cutie mark awakened, yet Starlight's magical power was already on an entirely different level and yet it went completely unnoticed. Starlight's nonsensical backstory was bad enough in the finale, but at least if we assumed she developed her powers later in life, the first step might make some sense so long as you ignored a bunch of stuff. But then even that was dashed aside; there was no reason Starlight couldn't of went with Sunburst with her magical talent.
THAT you could claim is just 'additional information' instead of retcon. Unfortunately, that additional information makes no sense.
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"Starlight was right in that not all ponies are happy with their cutie marks, or how their place in society. Her methods, however, were absolutely wrong. That is why she’s having to redeem herself."
Ahhhhh, how conveeeeeniannt! How convenient that the issues Starlight's village brought up were discarded just because the initial method was wrong, instead of finding a+__middleground+__.
**They dumbed down an introduced philosophy issue about acceptance and role within Equestria, to an INSULTINGLY dumb conflict of good vs misguided evil, with a completely one sided resolution.**
Its garbage.
"Yes, ponies came to her town because they were unhappy and thought her Equality stance would help. I never contradicted that, so this point isn’t really relevant(?!?). I was merely speaking to Starlight’s motives, not the other ponies in her town."
Are...are you serious?
They're completely interconnected! Starlight's motives are completely connected with how and why her village was formed. When you ignore that, then there's a huge gaping hole in your interpretation of Starlight's motives.
...
"I think the real disconnect here is that you see my interpretation of her motives as "fanon" while yours are not."
I'll stick with the stuff established thank you. And the actual established dialogue, there are tons of issues that were legitimate problems in Equestria that Starlight and her village experienced that were never addressed for past and future experiences, but was instead swept under the rug.
Without considering how her motivations grew with the motivations of her villagers, then you are ignoring a huge chunk of her character.
...
"As for those ponies, all we know is they now consider the town their home. No other reason is given for them remaining. While your point may be true (they’re staying because they haven’t solved their cutie mark dilemma), it’s also not stated in the episode.
Making her entire philosophy that the finale hastily tried to write as completely wrong...
...a giant question mark with no answers. Her entire redemption arc they've slapped on to her character has a dozen unanswered issues or contradicting retcons, and is an absolute insult to the backstories of everyone in Starlight's village. Do you honestly wonder why many, many consider her the worst written character now?
Also, again, if you want to stick with your fanon idea that them still living completely isolated from their old lives somehow means that all their issues have been resolved, good for you. It don't recall them ever stating 'them living there'='issues solved'.
As for the actual canon, they all left their old lives cause they're cutie marks made them miserable, and they have yet to establish any of them gaining closure. No solution has actually been presented.
Plus, if your NOT stating that their issues have been resolved, then why are you pretending that this blank state redemption of her's means anything if Starlight was partially right?
....
"Also, you misuse the term retcon. Having new information revealed is not a retcon. A retcon would be if something in the episode said that prior depicted events did not happen or at least did not happen as depicted in the previous episode."
Which is what happened. The original episode stated that all the ponies wanted to have their cutie marks removed, and now the writers want to paint a pretend picture that the evil Starlight stole all their cutie marks against their will and not because they desired it.
Therein lies the contradiction, and therein lies the retcon. Let's not beat around the bush about it.
Also, while this other thing isn't a complete retcon, it IS an elaboration that contradicts its own idea. Sunburst was sent to Celestia's school because he showed excess magical talent when his cutie mark awakened, yet Starlight's magical power was already on an entirely different level and yet it went completely unnoticed. Starlight's nonsensical backstory was bad enough in the finale, but at least if we assumed she developed her powers later in life, the first step might make some sense so long as you ignored a bunch of stuff. But then even that was dashed aside; there was no reason Starlight couldn't of went with Sunburst with her magical talent.
THAT you could claim is just 'additional information' instead of retcon. Unfortunately, that additional information makes no sense.
...
"Starlight was right in that not all ponies are happy with their cutie marks, or how their place in society. Her methods, however, were absolutely wrong. That is why she’s having to redeem herself."
Ahhhhh, how conveeeeeniannt! How convenient that the issues Starlight's village brought up were discarded just because the initial method was wrong, instead of finding a
**They dumbed down an introduced philosophy issue about acceptance and role within Equestria, to an INSULTINGLY dumb conflict of good vs misguided evil, with a completely one sided resolution.**
Its garbage.