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EU was conceived and lathern founded (in the 1950s) by some politicians (not only Monnet, but also Schuman, Adenauer, and many others) mainly for two reasons: a "utopian" reason (politico-economic cooperation between states and peoples of Europe); and for a more pragmatic reason: the catastrophic failure of both the League of Nations (1920) and the Treaty of Versailles (1919) to prevent WWII in Europe.


 
The "insinuation about the US civil war" is not so forced as it might seem; some historians call the 1914-1945 period the ""European Civil War"":[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Civil_War). This period was already called the ""Second Thirty Years' War"":[](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Thirty_Years%27_War) by Churchill and de Gaulle, including: WWI (1914-18), Bolshevik Revolution (1917) followed by Russian civil war (1917-23) and other smaller civil wars in Italy and Germany (1919); Ukrainian–Soviet War (1917–21); Polish–Soviet War (1919–21); Spanish Civil War (1936–39); World War II (1939–45). These devastating wars (WWII alone caused 60 to 80 million deaths, for the most part Europeans) were caused mainly by the aggressive ideologic nationalism of the european states: Germany (the Mein Kampf's ridiculous theories: the "jew conspiration" against Germany that would have caused the german defeat of 1918, and the theory of _*Lebensraum_*, theories that caused the war against Russia and the Holocaust); Italy (Mussolini's rhetorical myth of the "mutilated victory"); and even France and UK (they imposed absurdly heavy conditions on Germany in the Treaty of Versailles.)


 
The founders of EU probably thought that some peace treaties (Potsdam Agreement, 1945; Paris Peace Treaties, 1947) wouldn't have enough power to prevent another european war (as the Versailles Treaty showed in an exemplary way).
 
Also, UK's membership of EU has always been quite problematic afaik, even though they joined quite early (in 1973). Now, we will just have a more Franco-Germanocentric EU.

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EU was conceived and later founded (in the 1950s) by some politicians (not only Monnet, but also Schuman, Adenauer, and many others) mainly for two reasons: a "utopian" reason (politico-economic cooperation between states and peoples of Europe); and for a more pragmatic reason: the catastrophic failure of both the League of Nations (1920) and the Treaty of Versailles (1919) to prevent WWII in Europe.

The "insinuation about the US civil war" is not so forced as it might seem; some historians call the 1914-1945 period the ""European Civil War"":https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Civil_War. This period was already called the ""Second Thirty Years' War"":https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Thirty_Years%27_War by Churchill and de Gaulle, including: WWI (1914-18), Bolshevik Revolution (1917) followed by Russian civil war (1917-23) and other smaller civil wars in Italy and Germany (1919); Ukrainian–Soviet War (1917–21); Polish–Soviet War (1919–21); Spanish Civil War (1936–39); World War II (1939–45). These devastating wars (WWII alone caused 60 to 80 million deaths, for the most part Europeans) were caused mainly by the aggressive ideologic nationalism of the european states: Germany (the Mein Kampf's ridiculous theories: the "jew conspiration" against Germany that would have caused the german defeat of 1918, and the theory of _Lebensraum_, theories that caused the war against Russia and the Holocaust); Italy (Mussolini's rhetorical myth of the "mutilated victory"); and even France and UK (they imposed absurdly heavy conditions on Germany in the Treaty of Versailles.)

The founders of EU probably thought that some peace treaties (Potsdam Agreement, 1945; Paris Peace Treaties, 1947) wouldn't have enough power to prevent another european war (as the Versailles Treaty showed in an exemplary way).
Also, UK's membership of EU has always been quite problematic afaik, even though they joined quite early (in 1973). Now, we will just have a more Franco-Germanocentric EU.

"@Background Pony #13E8":/1187034#comment_5251795
EU was conceived and founded in the 1950s by some politicians (not only Monnet, but also Schuman, Adenauer, and many others) mainly for two reasons: a "utopian" reason (politico-economic cooperation between states and peoples of Europe); and for a more pragmatic reason: the catastrophic failure of both the League of Nations (1920) and the Treaty of Versailles (1919) to prevent WWII in Europe.

The "insinuation about the US civil war" is not so forced as it might seem; some historians call the 1914-1945 period the ""European Civil War"":https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Civil_War. This period was already called the ""Second Thirty Years' War"":https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Thirty_Years%27_War by Churchill and de Gaulle, including: WWI (1914-18), Bolshevik Revolution (1917) followed by Russian civil war (1917-23) and other smaller civil wars in Italy and Germany (1919); Ukrainian–Soviet War (1917–21); Polish–Soviet War (1919–21); Spanish Civil War (1936–39); World War II (1939–45). These devastating wars (WWII alone caused 60 to 80 million deaths, for the most part Europeans) were caused mainly by the aggressive ideologic nationalism of the european states: Germany (the Mein Kampf's ridiculous theories: the "jew conspiration" against Germany that would have caused the german defeat of 1918, and the theory of _Lebensraum_, theories that caused the war against Russia and the Holocaust); Italy (Mussolini's rhetorical myth of the "mutilated victory"); and even France and UK (they imposed absurdly heavy conditions on Germany in the Treaty of Versailles.)

The founders of EU probably thought that some peace treaties (Potsdam Agreement, 1945; Paris Peace Treaties, 1947) wouldn't have enough power to prevent another european war (as the Versailles Treaty showed in an exemplary way).
Also, UK's membership of EU has always been quite problematic afaik, even though they joined quite early (in 1973). Now, we will just have a more Franco-Germanocentric EU.