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What logic are you even talking about? I'm just expressing my (genuine, thank you very much) opinion on the two characters. There is zero exaggeration in the statement that I don't enjoy Sunset's character whatsoever, or that I enjoy Starlight as much as I've ever enjoyed any character in MLP.
What "wrong leaps of logic" am I making with Sunset? Sure, you "can say that Starlight comes off as brainwashed" but you would be flat out wrong. Sunset was straight selfish, arrogant, egotistical and sociopathic the whole movie, then she gets hit by the big magic blast and comes out of it crying and wanting to be shown another way. Starlight was never hit by any reforming magic blast, she slowly came over to Twilight's side after being shown the fruits of her revenge, then compassion, then encouragement. Anyone who would "use my logic" to claim that Starlight "comes off as brainwashed" even remotely as much as Sunset would just be objectively wrong, period.
And Sunset being a bland and boring character and me disliking her for that would not be the same as people disliking Starlight for having personality flaws. If anything, it's the exact opposite, because I love Starlight for her flaws, and what flaws does Sunset have? You're making these grand arguments about how subjective and trolly I am being, but name me a prominent character flaw of Sunset. Or something interesting about her personality.
Speaking of the comic, I'm not taking those into consideration. "Always being a dick" is just a default assumption because there was never any mention of her becoming a dick at a specific point or due to a specific reason. I was actually expecting you'd bring the comics in defence of Sunset because at least they give her SOME backstory and context, while without the comics all you get about her is literally one line from Celestia before Twilight ever goes to the human world. In my book, even a weakly presented backstory is better than none at all.
The stuff you say about Twilight's friendship with Sunset mostly seems like speculation and headcanon. Thing is, we never see Twilight communicate with or even mention Sunset at any point after RR (I mean, sure, she came at the end of FG for an easter egg, and Sunset kind of describes something she said to her through a journal in Mirror Magic, but that's hardly character interaction). I was looking forward to her playing the mentor role, thankfully I got that with Starlight better than I could've hoped for.
Anyway, predictably, I completely disagree with you. From my perspective, the notion of Sunset being a good character is completely ridiculous. If anything, it's even worse with all these shorts because they just kept adding more cool and hip hobbies and skills to her trying to make her more and more awesome (drawing comics, graffiti, gaming, painting, etc). From my perspective, saying Sunset is a good character is fanboyism.
Could you actually describe what you like about Sunset? What makes you enjoy having her on screen? What you think is especially well-written about her character? It's not like I don't wanna be entertained by her, but as far as my tastes are concerned they've been doing the exact wrong things with her ever since her defeat.
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Lol sure bud. If anyone ever presented legitimate examples of what is good about Sunset I'd love to agree with them because I loved Rainbow Rocks, Friendship Games and Legend of Everfree, and I love EqG in general. It's nice that you care enough to remember me, but if you actually read the discussions I participate in you'd have seen they tend to resolve calmly with agreeing to disagree. If anything, I WANT people to change the opinions I express because I really don't enjoy, well, not enjoying Sunset's character. Not my fault that the level of arguments for her is usually only good enough for a confused "what? How does someone derive entertainment from this?".
Besides, people saying that Starlight is a pale imitation of Sunset or some such nonsense are infinitely worse anyway.
What logic are you even talking about? I'm just expressing my (genuine, thank you very much) opinion on the two characters. There is zero exaggeration in the statement that I don't enjoy Sunset's character whatsoever, or that I enjoy Starlight as much as I've ever enjoyed any character in MLP.
What "wrong leaps of logic" am I making with Sunset? Sure, you "can say that Starlight comes off as brainwashed" but you would be flat out wrong. Sunset was straight selfish, arrogant, egotistical and sociopathic the whole movie, then she gets hit by the big magic blast and comes out of it crying and wanting to be shown another way. Starlight was never hit by any reforming magic blast, she slowly came over to Twilight's side after being shown the fruits of her revenge, then compassion, then encouragement. Anyone who would "use my logic" to claim that Starlight "comes off as brainwashed" even remotely as much as Sunset would just be objectively wrong, period.
And Sunset being a bland and boring character and me disliking her for that would not be the same as people disliking Starlight for having personality flaws. If anything, it's the exact opposite, because I love Starlight for her flaws, and what flaws does Sunset have? You're making these grand arguments about how subjective and trolly I am being, but name me a prominent character flaw of Sunset. Or something interesting about her personality.
Speaking of the comic, I'm not taking those into consideration. "Always being a dick" is just a default assumption because there was never any mention of her becoming a dick at a specific point or due to a specific reason. I was actually expecting you'd bring the comics in defence of Sunset because at least they give her SOME backstory and context, while without the comics all you get about her is literally one line from Celestia before Twilight ever goes to the human world. In my book, even a weakly presented backstory is better than none at all.
The stuff you say about Twilight's friendship with Sunset mostly seems like speculation and headcanon. Thing is, we never see Twilight communicate with or even mention Sunset at any point after RR (I mean, sure, she came at the end of FG for an easter egg, and Sunset kind of describes something she said to her through a journal in Mirror Magic, but that's hardly character interaction). I was looking forward to her playing the mentor role, thankfully I got that with Starlight better than I could've hoped for.
Anyway, predictably, I completely disagree with you. From my perspective, the notion of Sunset being a good character is completely ridiculous. If anything, it's even worse with all these shorts because they just kept adding more cool and hip hobbies and skills to her trying to make her more and more awesome (drawing comics, graffiti, gaming, painting, etc). From my perspective, saying Sunset is a good character is fanboyism.
Could you actually describe what you like about Sunset? What makes you enjoy having her on screen? What you think is especially well-written about her character? It's not like I don't wanna be entertained by her, but as far as my tastes are concerned they've been doing the exact wrong things with her ever since her defeat.
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[@Background Pony #D365
Lol sure bud. If anyone ever presented legitimate examples of what is good about Sunset I'd love to agree with them because I loved Rainbow Rocks, Friendship Games and Legend of Everfree, and I love EqG in general. It's nice that you care enough to remember me, but if you actually read the discussions I participate in you'd have seen they tend to resolve calmly with agreeing to disagree. If anything, I WANT people to change the opinions I express because I really don't enjoy, well, not enjoying Sunset's character. Not my fault that the level of arguments for her is usually only good enough for a confused "what? How does someone derive entertainment from this?".
Besides, people saying that Starlight is a pale imitation of Sunset or some such nonsense are infinitely worse anyway.