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> Could you actually describe what you like about Sunset? What makes you enjoy having her on screen? What you think is especially well-written about her character? It’s not like I don’t wanna be entertained by her, but as far as my tastes are concerned they’ve been doing the exact wrong things with her ever since her defeat.[/bq]
Well, Sunset's struggles with the above superiority-interity complex, and her slowly developing out of it is interesting.
Her being a more "hands-on learner" compared to the generally more bookish and theoretical Twilights and up to a level Starlight.
The process of Sunset development into a from a guilt ridden 6th ranger, into essentially the team leader.
Despite what you write:
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> The stuff you say about Twilight’s friendship with Sunset mostly seems like speculation and headcanon. Thing is, we never see Twilight communicate with or even mention Sunset at any point after RR (I mean, sure, she came at the end of FG for an easter egg, and Sunset kind of describes something she said to her through a journal in Mirror Magic, but that’s hardly character interaction). I was looking forward to her playing the mentor role, thankfully I got that with Starlight better than I could’ve hoped for.[/bq]
Sunset's relationship with **both** Twilights. With pony Twilight, how they grew closer over their mutual stressfull struggles during Rainbow Rocks, and how they learned from each other. How Twilight had initial fears with Sunset, but overcame them as they quicly grew closer during Rainbow Rocks. While it's a deleted scene, this shows some neat mentoring from Twilight, and shows of the the share closeness between the girls:
"
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7c4ki7Gs7c":](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7c4ki7Gs7c
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It's debatable whenever it's canon, but it's a great sene, I cannot get was cut out.
How Twilight seemed terified she couldn't help Sunset because of dealing with Starlight's time travel revenge, and fearing she may be to late.
Their moments in A Friendship to Remember/A Forgotten Friendship.
And 'bout Twilight forgiving Starlight, and accpting her as a student being just pure speculation – Friendship Games premiered before the season 5 finalle, telling earlier hints about the season 5 finalle, and **being directly connected to it**. This is at least a strong hint.
About Twilight not mentioning Sunset in the main series, it's due to Hasbro's stupid policies. But in the comics, while not canon, Sunset is the only person living in the human world, Twilight has a picture. I mean, she doesn't even have one of Flash.
>>1352623t
With Sci-Twi, how their relationship grew – first Sunset was projecting onto Sci-Twi pony Twilight, and had unrealitic expectactions, hence her outburst at the poor girl, which Sunset really regreted, and done everything to help her. How Sunset learned to care about Sci-Twi as her own person.
How Sunset **didn't** act stupidly, and didn't needlessly endagner Sci-Twi's relationship with Timber – she suspected Timber might be up to something bad, feared he may use Twilight, or even hurt her, but as opposed to many, MANY examples, she waited till she got whay she thought damning evidence.
(Yes, she was wrong, but Timber covering for his sister REALLY made him come of as the possible bad guy, and the evidence point out to him. Not to mention, Timber's actions did allow Gloriosa to be fully corrpted, and also him covering for her, alos caused Sci-Twi think she/Midnight was behind the chaos, and feel worse, and worse, so Sunset wasn't THAT of.)
How Sunset helped Sci-Twi to overome her fears, and Midnight, and really comeout of her shell. I mean, compare Sci-Twi from Friendship Games and Legend of Everfree to the Sci-Twi from Dance Magic and latter.
While more subtle, Sunset relationship with Celestia - the Princess of the Sun is definitelly was an influence on Sunset, and she was first mitaved by a need of revenge and spite towards Celestia, but it's visible by Rainbow Rocks this was caused by Sunset feeling rejected by Celestia, and still feeling a bond to the Princess, even in her darkest moments (again):
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*Sunset Shimmer: When I was Princess Celestia's student back in Equestria, she gave me this. Even after I abandoned my studies, I **held onto it**. **Deep down**, I guess I **knew I was making a big mistake**, and I wanted to still have **a way to reach out to her**. Maybe it still works._
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This is further confirmed in Broken Friendship/A Friendship to Remember,[spoiler]|| for example were Clestia is the first person Sunset calls out to, when she lost all of her memories from before ging throught the mirror portal for the first time.[/spoiler]
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While possibly not canon, in “Sunset Shimmer's Time to Shine”, the novel by the same writer as A Friendship to Remember, it's stated Sunset' Cutie Mark symbolized her desire to become like Princess Celestia.
How Sunset decided in Friendship Games she must act on her own, even without pony Twilight, in part to help another Twilight, and save everyone. It's notable, as earlier, she was quite lost without the contact with pony Twilight.
An I could add others, but this comment already is REALLY LONG.
I don't know what to write else to you – you're to stubborn to change your mind. Maybe a comparison of your own words. You are angered by:
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> Besides, people saying that Starlight is a pale imitation of Sunset or some such nonsense are infinitely worse anyway.[/bq]
But you write yourself similar things, like:
[bq]
> From my perspective, the notion of Sunset being a good character is completely ridiculous.[/bq]
Seeing that, I'm not sure I respond to you again under this picture, as it just comes of to me a discussion with you about this may have no sense....
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[bq]
> Could you actually describe what you like about Sunset? What makes you enjoy having her on screen? What you think is especially well-written about her character? It’s not like I don’t wanna be entertained by her, but as far as my tastes are concerned they’ve been doing the exact wrong things with her ever since her defeat.
Well, Sunset's struggles with the above superiority-interity complex, and her slowly developing out of it is interesting.
Her being a more "hands-on learner" compared to the generally more bookish and theoretical Twilights and up to a level Starlight.
The process of Sunset development into a from a guilt ridden 6th ranger, into essentially the team leader.
Despite what you write:
[bq]
> The stuff you say about Twilight’s friendship with Sunset mostly seems like speculation and headcanon. Thing is, we never see Twilight communicate with or even mention Sunset at any point after RR (I mean, sure, she came at the end of FG for an easter egg, and Sunset kind of describes something she said to her through a journal in Mirror Magic, but that’s hardly character interaction). I was looking forward to her playing the mentor role, thankfully I got that with Starlight better than I could’ve hoped for.
Sunset's relationship with **both** Twilights. With pony Twilight, how they grew closer over their mutual stressfull struggles during Rainbow Rocks, and how they learned from each other. How Twilight had initial fears with Sunset, but overcame them as they quicly grew closer during Rainbow Rocks. While it's a deleted scene, this shows some neat mentoring from Twilight, and shows of the the share closeness between the girls:
"
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7c4ki7Gs7c
It's debatable whenever it's canon, but it's a great sene, I cannot get was cut out.
How Twilight seemed terified she couldn't help Sunset because of dealing with Starlight's time travel revenge, and fearing she may be to late.
Their moments in A Friendship to Remember/A Forgotten Friendship.
And 'bout Twilight forgiving Starlight, and accpting her as a student being just pure speculation – Friendship Games premiered before the season 5 finalle, telling earlier hints about the season 5 finalle, and **being directly connected to it**. This is at least a strong hint.
About Twilight not mentioning Sunset in the main series, it's due to Hasbro's stupid policies. But in the comics, while not canon, Sunset is the only person living in the human world, Twilight has a picture. I mean, she doesn't even have one of Flash.
>>1352623t
With Sci-Twi, how their relationship grew – first Sunset was projecting onto Sci-Twi pony Twilight, and had unrealitic expectactions, hence her outburst at the poor girl, which Sunset really regreted, and done everything to help her. How Sunset learned to care about Sci-Twi as her own person.
How Sunset **didn't** act stupidly, and didn't needlessly endagner Sci-Twi's relationship with Timber – she suspected Timber might be up to something bad, feared he may use Twilight, or even hurt her, but as opposed to many, MANY examples, she waited till she got whay she thought damning evidence.
(Yes, she was wrong, but Timber covering for his sister REALLY made him come of as the possible bad guy, and the evidence point out to him. Not to mention, Timber's actions did allow Gloriosa to be fully corrpted, and also him covering for her, alos caused Sci-Twi think she/Midnight was behind the chaos, and feel worse, and worse, so Sunset wasn't THAT of.)
How Sunset helped Sci-Twi to overome her fears, and Midnight, and really comeout of her shell. I mean, compare Sci-Twi from Friendship Games and Legend of Everfree to the Sci-Twi from Dance Magic and latter.
While more subtle, Sunset relationship with Celestia - the Princess of the Sun is definitelly was an influence on Sunset, and she was first mitaved by a need of revenge and spite towards Celestia, but it's visible by Rainbow Rocks this was caused by Sunset feeling rejected by Celestia, and still feeling a bond to the Princess, even in her darkest moments (again):
_
*Sunset Shimmer: When I was Princess Celestia's student back in Equestria, she gave me this. Even after I abandoned my studies, I **held onto it**. **Deep down**, I guess I **knew I was making a big mistake**, and I wanted to still have **a way to reach out to her**. Maybe it still works.
This is further confirmed in Broken Friendship/A Friendship to Remember,
While possibly not canon, in “Sunset Shimmer's Time to Shine”, the novel by the same writer as A Friendship to Remember, it's stated Sunset' Cutie Mark symbolized her desire to become like Princess Celestia.
How Sunset decided in Friendship Games she must act on her own, even without pony Twilight, in part to help another Twilight, and save everyone. It's notable, as earlier, she was quite lost without the contact with pony Twilight.
An I could add others, but this comment already is REALLY LONG.
I don't know what to write else to you – you're to stubborn to change your mind. Maybe a comparison of your own words. You are angered by:
[bq]
> Besides, people saying that Starlight is a pale imitation of Sunset or some such nonsense are infinitely worse anyway.
But you write yourself similar things, like:
[bq]
> From my perspective, the notion of Sunset being a good character is completely ridiculous.
Seeing that, I'm not sure I respond to you again under this picture, as it just comes of to me a discussion with you about this may have no sense....