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“That’s not my point, Zephyr, and I think you know it.”
The “she’s actually 1000 years old” phrase is the new “age is just a number”.
This is a fanart I wanted to make many months ago, but, after seeing the hilarious video Cilvanis made and considering there are many TF2 videos about Scout loving loli characters with that funny voice generator, I think it would be appropiate to talk about this right now, especially from the perspective of a graphic designer.
As much as I enjoy watching or reading fiction, I don’t understand why so many anime shows, japanese games and mangas have this whole loli approach. I don’t get what a writer or a character designer gains from that. But, most importantly, I don’t understand why somebody would be turned on by this, especially then they try to justify it, they sound like a priest from a church or one of those who search videos of little girls dancing in a suggestive way.
I remember I’ve played a game many years ago which had this type of archetype: Fire Emblem Awakening. In Awakening there’s a character named Nowi, who’s an ancient dragon in the body of a little girl wearing suggestive outfit. And, since the game gives you the option to marry couples, I didn’t give that option to Nowi ever. And I don’t care about the “immortality” themes she often adresses. I’m pretty sure you can do that without having a loli wearing some questionable outfits. Lost Odyssey uses the immortality theme to talk about personal stories and, as far as I know (because I haven’t finished the first disc), they don’t have a loli.
Don’t get me wrong, Awakening is a great game, one of the best ones in Nintendo 3DS. But that doesn’t excuse the design of Nowi. It’s probably the only thing I didn’t like about the game.
Even my favourite games have this, like Blazblue. In Blazblue there’s a vampire called Rachel and, while she looks like a kid, she’s one of those 1000 years old. I always found this very weird, but the fact she’s not interested in anyone and she is fully dressed instead of wearing a suggestive outfit makes me tolerate her.
I don’t often talk about this online because I remember I adressed it one time years ago (maybe in 2014) and suddenly a troll with an anime avatar talked down to me suggesting that “I’m a snowflake”, “I support censorship” (even though we were not talking about censorship) and “I’m a SJW”. There’s always someone like him anywhere online. I took some of his replies and adapted them to Zephyr’s dialogue. It’s not only justifying the lolis, it’s also looking down to other people just because they don’t like lolis as much as they do, which is kinda creepy. They’ll use the “snowflake” argument, they’ll use the “you’re one of those SJW” argument, etc. And sometimes I bring up the responsibility thing, asking if you’re ok liking stuff like this.
And then there are some stuff I’ve read and heard about Mushoku Tensei. All I’m gonna say is that I’m glad I dodged a bullet. But it’s the type of thing you’d see in the anime community. So, not my fandom, not my feelings.
By the way, we’re talking about japanese visual design. Wouldn’t be logical to ask for them to go nuts in creativity and offer crazy and unique designs, like the From Software games, the Ghibli films, Angel’s egg, Berserk, the Monster Hunter games (which have incredible monster designs) and the Fumito Ueda games? Wouldn’t that be reasonable instead of being conformist about this?
I’m assuming this is very frequent because it’s a cultural thing and because of, among other things that reinforce it (like social approbation), designing lolis wearing questionable outfit is socially accepted and normalized. While I’d love to see something new and different, I don’t think we’re gonna see a change in anime industry. Most of the season announcements are either shonen, isekais or visual excuses for fanservice and they rarely bring something different to the table, not because they wouldn’t like to do something different, but because they know people will get interested in this anyway based on the success of franchises like Dragon Ball, Naruto, Sword Art Online and One Piece. They want to capitalize it as much as possible.
I think the least we can do, like many people, is to adress it occasionally.
Like Katie Tiedrich said one time: Here’s a cool thing if you’re making a game or something: don’t put an adult character in a child’s body. It’s really creepy! Another cool thing is don’t also put them in garters and a bikini top? I mean… why would you be ok with degenerate stuff in your anime to begin with?
These are my thoughts on lolis. Sorry that this is atypical coming from me, but hopefully we could get to a conclusion together.

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archestereo

…if sexuality isn’t at least mostly decided at birth, that would have several unfortunate implications, like aces being disabled, culture or even figures influencing our collective urges, etc.
Granted, stuff like fetishes are definitely developed, but outright saying that people turn gay just seems like going too far.
…to be honest, I’m not sure I fully understand what constitutes “lolicon”. I’ve heard people describe stuff that seemed perfectly innocent as loli. I don’t want to normalize sussy shit like those toddler pageants or that sort of thing, but there comes a point where we have to say “the one who smelt it dealt it,” if you know what I mean.
The thing is, the crazy shit is a reaction to the sex police. The most vanilla places in the world are the ones that don’t give a shit like Switzerland or whatever, but in contrast Japan invented tentacle porn because of the ban on depictions of dicks. If we really wanted to make the world safer, we’d crack down on the cultists who keep trying to turn their moral opinions into entitlements for which the rest of us have to shoulder the burden of responsibility, i.e. making it everyone else’s problem.
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@Background Pony #C005
I’m pretty sure it turns people into pedos. Sexuality isn’t decided at birth, that’s something we made up so people will leave gays alone.
People into lolicon should kick the habit for their own good. At least like Equestria Girls they could be 18.
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Background Pony #C005
Lolicon: It’s not real no one getting hurt.
Netorare: Long rant about why it wrong and it hurts people.
Beth
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Shimmering Smile - Celebrated the 10th anniversary of Equestria Girls!
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@Background Pony #BD2D
I would do good to make sure any such material is kept away from minors.
Derpibooru has a large adult population, and a filtering system where most newcomers to the site don’t find any NSFW.
When I was a kid I was surrounded by internet porn, because I looked for it. It’s mostly just important on the internet to make sure adults aren’t seeking minors or showing porn to minors, but minors are going to run into porn themselves no matter what, and we shouldn’t destroy sex culture to prevent this, because they’ll find porn anyway.
Background Pony #BD2D
The guy drawing smut of characters from a show for little girls calling other people degenerates, right.
Yeah, some find porn based around a show whose target audience is kids just as gross and distasteful as lolicon, even if the porn features adult characters.
Beth
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Elements of Harmony - Had an OC in the 2022 Community Collab
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Gurren Laggan has these hyper sexualized characters that look like they could be adults, but they’re really 15. I know the main character is a kid, but the girl is tall with pronounced boobs, and they put her in the most revealing clothes possible, so I assume she’s an adult at first.
We skipped through the swimsuit episode. It was getting pretty close to illegal.
Feldfebel

Oh now, how dare you like loli fanarts. Welcome to the real world americans, where age of consent is 14 in most european countries and that’s the age that most those anime characters are. Stay mad and also learn that pedophilia is sexual atraction to children BEFORE puberty, what is 11-12 years old. Thiking of people after puberty as sexually atractive is normal, always were and you can’t change that no matter what. Nawi don’t look like person before puberty at all. Best thing that proves it, is that girls around 15 goes to clubs with fake ID and pretend they are 18, and people can’t say that they lieing because, surprise surprise, they don’t look like children anymore at that age, but normal young woman that’s sexually atractive to every sane, well person.
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Didn’t expect this fanart to be in Derpibooru. xD
This one is something I wanted to make a couple of months ago. The reason why I made this now is because of that great video Cilvanis made in YouTube.
The last lines Zephyr said were based on a conversation I had with someone on the Internet so many years ago, who assumed the only reason why I don’t like lolis was because “I was a snowflake” and the typical stuff you’d hear from someone who doesn’t wanna hear complaints about anime.
I could have drawn on my own lolis for this fanart, but I thought it wouldn’t feel right. I just can’t vibe with content like this. And I definitely don’t understand why people would be so defensive that they would go for the “snowflake/SJW” argument instead of a more compelling and reasonable statement.
Background Pony #E200
I like it when ignorant people start discussions and don’t even know what they’re talking about. I’m imagining you at the pool right now, constantly calling the police and describing cases of pedophilic acts… nowi lolicon…lol
Background Pony #E846
the only thing wrong with this picture is that rainbow dash would never set foot in his bedroom lol
Background Pony #E254
On a related note. I know someone who’s naturally a rather short (we talking a bit less then 5’) and she too is worried that only weirdos would find her attractive or date her!