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Berne Sanders makes me think of the quote; “The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.” It’s the same “other people are richer than you so get angry and soak the rich!” sort of drivel that’s been repeated for more than a century, and in every impoverished communist hell-hole on Earth. More on that later, though.
 
@someguy111  

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There is a can labeled “worms”, you opened it.

@someguy111
So they can use it to fund social institutions like they’re already doing with public schools, police stations, and fire stations. These are all things you used to have to pay for under capitalism, but yet are operating better than before under socialism - so where that whole spiel about congress taking advantage of that comes from is beyond me, because socialism already exists to a degree here. Just being paranoid, I guess.

My favorite is the fire station, though, because when it was operated under capitalism you had to buy the fire permit and if you didn’t buy it then they let your house burn and anybody trapped inside was stuck there. Ich liebe Kapitalismus :V

You get nickle and dimed to hell under capitalism, so your ideas of making money aren’t really going to go as smoothly as you seem to be thinking and might even work better under socialism. Socialism is like buying a full game at full price. Capitalism is like buying a game at 3/4 of the price and then getting spammed with tons DLC and microtransaction

Socialism is a lot more honest. It takes what it needs from you and leaves you be. Capitalism is deceit because it gives you the impression that it’s letting you keep your money before ripping basically all of it away from you - more than socialism could ever dream of doing.

• “more than socialism could ever dream of doing.” No, Capitalists just want to buy and sell. It’s National Socialists who will put you in concentrantion camps and murder you. There’s some more concrete examples - but I’ll save those for my more general spiel in a bit.
   
  But tell me exactly how his plans for making money would work better in a society where you aren’t allowed to make money?
   
  Also, honest - seriously? I mean, yeah, corporations advertise, and because of laws we have and backlash they’d get they usually can’t go too far off, but they are often dishonest. But how is Socialism more honest in anything other than a fantasy? What socialist state is actually like that? Oh, right, those European ones - I’ll actually address those in a bit…
   
  But really, are they more honest? They aren’t propaganda swamps like North Korea, but I don’t know if I’d call them more honest.
   
  @ghostfacekiller39  

@someguy111
This isn’t Fucks News. This is reality. Communism is not Socialism and extreme examples have no value. Fear mongering has no place here. …

• But what is this huge deal about communism and socialism both being so different? I don’t care what you call it, I call it having your rights to your own property, to work for a wage, to start your own company or entrepreneurial endeavor (as my friend has done on many occasions) and to buy and to sell as you choose and to actually own your own money - If you take those away, I call that oppression. Mind you, you’re pretty much asking for all artists to stop taking commissions and to live on social security income, instead. Except instead of asking you’re hoping for a system of law where they’ll be arrested for offering commissions.
   
  I mean, hey, corporations are so corrupt and evil because they’re a few people with so much power, so instead of letting people handle their own money, let’s put control of peoples’ money into the hands of the same people who control the police department, military, make laws and enforce them… I mean, monopolies are so terrible, so a state-run monopoly enforced by the military and police is going to be better, right?
   
  I mean, yes, you vote for them - but how in control do you feel about the presidential election, eh? I mean, a lot of liberals hate corporations so much, so their solution is basically to consolidate the corporations and government so that the corporations also write the laws and enforce them.
   
  Then there’s, you know, Switzerland - they’re a good, working socialist state, right? Well, actually, they’re failing to replace their own population, so they’re dying, they sit on top of the world’s banks, and they don’t even need their government to pay for any military spending - now they may have a few token jets and troops, but how NATO works is that European states share technology (main gun on the M1 Abrams tank is of German design) and key strategic positions, and we - the United States - offers the industry and the actual military might. That is why we spend so much on our military, we’re more or less NATO’s sword and shield - their main item. It probably carries over from WWII when we had more military spending than 3x the U.K.‘s entire GDP. We were the main Allied player then (Soviet Union was neutral to us, though at war with Germany, but not part of the Allies), and we have remained so to this day because of our massive corporate sector that builds massive industry via capitalism that the rest of NATO lacks. It’s our American industry that won WWII, really - once again, citing our war spending vs. GDP.
   
  Citations about WWII: U.S. defense spending Relative GDP’s per capita , and Populations  
  7*0.4 = 2.8 - that’s per capita. Adjusting for population more than doubles that ratio.
   
  Long story short: yes, there are some good social states like Switzerland, but they can only exist because capitalist states (read: USA) pays for their defense against the dark arts, as per an arrangement made in NATO during the cold war against the Soviet Block.
   
  Btw, what brought the end of the Soviet Union was capitalism - because, you know, if you have the right to produce and sell things, then “fun” things get produced, like rock and roll music (“give us rock and roll!” they told Gorbachev when asked what foreign commodity they wanted), as opposed to a state-run society where things have to argue to exist, so you only get national anthems, or things produced with the wonderful government quality, like public schools.
   
   
  @Mildgyth  
  Is “parasite” really a descriptive word of someone who’s started companies that pay at least thousands’ of peoples’ paychecks? I mean, I kinda think that’s the opposite of a parasite. You can call him a jerk, but “parasite” really doesn’t work, here. A parasite would take without giving, like living off of welfare handouts. This guy pays a lot of other peoples’ paychecks. That’s more than any politician can say (I don’t honestly know the exact number, but a large company typically has well, well over a thousand employees).