Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy. (Politics General)
Background Human 
CHS, Class of 20XX
@Broken Adam
Is history not linear? Did Marx discover time travel? Seems like that would be more noteworthy than the whole communism thing.
Is history not linear? Did Marx discover time travel? Seems like that would be more noteworthy than the whole communism thing.
Valerie Shimmerwing 
@Broken Adam
By positivism, I meant, the theory that laws are to be understood as social rules, valid because they are enacted by authority or derive logically from existing decisions, and that ideal or moral considerations (e.g., that a rule is unjust) should not limit the scope or operation of the law.
By positivism, I meant, the theory that laws are to be understood as social rules, valid because they are enacted by authority or derive logically from existing decisions, and that ideal or moral considerations (e.g., that a rule is unjust) should not limit the scope or operation of the law.
Don't 
Get up and Jump
@Background Human
The Whig interpretation of History is one of the things that I deeply hate
it’s literally “dude the Past is inferior lmao” made up by the same people who actually believed in the “dark ages” myth
The Whig interpretation of History is one of the things that I deeply hate
it’s literally “dude the Past is inferior lmao” made up by the same people who actually believed in the “dark ages” myth
Background Pony #BEC2
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Valerie Shimmerwing
It’s decrepit to formulate interpretations of history out of the past with reference to the present, because such interpretations presuppose teleologies and thus an abstract being pulling the strings of unequals such as humanity. What natural laws do, is set the stage for equal parts and find the actors out of the unequal configurations of equal parts. They do not, however, write a script for the actors to follow, for a script can’t be followed when the actors don’t have a common language, let alone the same configuration.
AaronMk 
It’s more to do with physical, material conditions.
Sky funeral
@Broken Adam
Is history not linear? Did Marx discover time travel? Seems like that would be more noteworthy than the whole communism thing.
It’s more to do with physical, material conditions.
Valerie Shimmerwing
I just had a thought:
Unequals are equal in that they all have the quality of being unequal.
Equality as Things -> Inequality as Configurations of Several Things -> Equality as Inequality
Unequals are equal in that they all have the quality of being unequal.
Equality as Things -> Inequality as Configurations of Several Things -> Equality as Inequality
BadgingBadger 
💪😎🤜 S🔥W🔥A🔥G 🤛😂👍
What are your thoughts on Black Mirror?
Do you think it’s a critique of technology itself, or a critique of the way flawed humans interact with it?
Do you think it’s a critique of technology itself, or a critique of the way flawed humans interact with it?
Valerie Shimmerwing
@BadgingBadger
Black Mirror is a great show. I like its explorations of the relationship between humans and technology.
As for the second question, it’s both, primarily the latter, as Black Mirror programme showrunner Charlie Brooker explained in an article:
Black Mirror is a great show. I like its explorations of the relationship between humans and technology.
As for the second question, it’s both, primarily the latter, as Black Mirror programme showrunner Charlie Brooker explained in an article:
When I was making the series How TV Ruined Your Life, we went out and asked members of the public to comment on a new invention we were claiming was real: a mobile phone that allowed you to call through time, so you could speak to people in the past or future. Many people thought it was real: not so much a testament to gullibility, but an indicator of just how magical today’s technology has become. We take miracles for granted on a daily basis.Nonetheless, I relish this stuff. I coo over gadgets, take delight in each new miracle app. Like an addict, I check my Twitter timeline the moment I wake up. And often I wonder: is all this really good for me? For us? None of these things have been foisted upon humankind – we’ve merrily embraced them. But where is it all leading? If technology is a drug – and it does feel like a drug – then what, precisely, are the side-effects?This area – between delight and discomfort – is where Black Mirror, my new drama series, is set. The “black mirror” of the title is the one you’ll find on every wall, on every desk, in the palm of every hand: the cold, shiny screen of a TV, a monitor, a smartphone.
–Charlie Brooker, The dark side of our gadget addiction
fobone
@BadgingBadger
You mean the disturbing oracle of the world yet the come as it reflects the current state of society that we were all too blissfully and willingly ignorant of until it was too late?
…Yeah it’s a good show, and one that we need right now.
But to answer your question, it’s the latter. Technology is a tool, like anything else. A tool can be either used appropriately or abused depending on it’s user and thus has no inherit will on it’s own. The issues lie with problems that are all too human, greed, lust, sloth, rage, pride, and gluttony, all things made easier with the advent of technology but ultimately those choices are ours and ours alone.
I don’t remember where I heard this quote from but’s kept with me since the day I’ve heard it “We’re a space-age society with a stone age mindset”
You mean the disturbing oracle of the world yet the come as it reflects the current state of society that we were all too blissfully and willingly ignorant of until it was too late?
…Yeah it’s a good show, and one that we need right now.
But to answer your question, it’s the latter. Technology is a tool, like anything else. A tool can be either used appropriately or abused depending on it’s user and thus has no inherit will on it’s own. The issues lie with problems that are all too human, greed, lust, sloth, rage, pride, and gluttony, all things made easier with the advent of technology but ultimately those choices are ours and ours alone.
I don’t remember where I heard this quote from but’s kept with me since the day I’ve heard it “We’re a space-age society with a stone age mindset”
Darth Sonic
@Broken Adam
But aren’t we living in better times?
Asking you legitimately here, mostly cause I’m too lazy to find the stats right now, and I don’t want to make any claims without backing it up.
But aren’t we living in better times?
Asking you legitimately here, mostly cause I’m too lazy to find the stats right now, and I don’t want to make any claims without backing it up.
Valerie Shimmerwing
Whether or not the past is better or worse than the present can’t be determined since humans haven’t–or possibly can’t–developed the means to time travel and then experience it. Sure, there are technological advancements and statistical data which tell of an increasing human population, a high quality of life, a decreasing mortality rate, and other trends judged to be good, but they still don’t let one experience the past, they still don’t let one judge it by one’s very senses. Even if one was to experience the results of an inferior steam engine or of any inferior thing no longer in circulation, one won’t be experiencing the past but remnants of it in isolation rather than in an “ecosystem.” Thus, one’s judgments of the past on the basis of what has been happening throughout time and of experiencing isolated remnants of the past, are purely inferential. So because of humans’ relative inability to time travel; because people will probably be unwilling to give up their computers, jobs, contraceptives, governments, smartphones, televisions, etc.; and because experiencing parts of the past in isolation is not experiencing the past, attempts to judge the past now are epistemologically impossible, unfair to the past, and trivial.
Scrabbleman 
[screams in German]
@Fluttershy the Naturalist
But we can judge it through an objective standpoint, right? Access to technology, natural resources and necessities, ease of transportation, variety of leisure activities, and the general quality of life, plus some others.
This is honestly already at the minimum required information.
But we can judge it through an objective standpoint, right? Access to technology, natural resources and necessities, ease of transportation, variety of leisure activities, and the general quality of life, plus some others.
This is honestly already at the minimum required information.
Valerie Shimmerwing
@HJSDGCE, God’s Wrath
As I’ve typed, doing that is purely inferential. Presently, no matter how much one experiences the present, one can’t experience the past and do a comparison between, say, having a computer and having no computer or having a quality of life in the present and having a quality of life in the past.
As I’ve typed, doing that is purely inferential. Presently, no matter how much one experiences the present, one can’t experience the past and do a comparison between, say, having a computer and having no computer or having a quality of life in the present and having a quality of life in the past.
Scrabbleman
[screams in German]
@Fluttershy the Naturalist
Eh, fair enough. To be fair, such comparisons aren’t necessary for most part. So long as we continue human advancement, I’d say it’s more than good enough.
Eh, fair enough. To be fair, such comparisons aren’t necessary for most part. So long as we continue human advancement, I’d say it’s more than good enough.
Scrabbleman
[screams in German]
@Fluttershy the Naturalist
And also not to repeat past mistakes. Or for some odd reason, do repeat the past in order to receive some similar effect which may be beneficial.
History’s pretty cool.
And also not to repeat past mistakes. Or for some odd reason, do repeat the past in order to receive some similar effect which may be beneficial.
History’s pretty cool.
fobone
@Fluttershy the Naturalist
Not to go too off course but…what does time travel and the theoretical physics of it have to do politics?
Not to go too off course but…what does time travel and the theoretical physics of it have to do politics?
Scrabbleman
[screams in German]
@fobone
You can go back through time and kill Hitler in his crib, which is a pretty famous and interesting moral scenario that has people split. I for one would be against killing Hitler as a kid, even though that would mean I let 6 million people get killed systematically.
Or you can stop JFK’s murder, which would continue the Space Race. Who knows what technological advancements and regressions we would have today if we focused in space. If I recall, the game “Prey” uses this particular alternate future.
You can go back through time and kill Hitler in his crib, which is a pretty famous and interesting moral scenario that has people split. I for one would be against killing Hitler as a kid, even though that would mean I let 6 million people get killed systematically.
Or you can stop JFK’s murder, which would continue the Space Race. Who knows what technological advancements and regressions we would have today if we focused in space. If I recall, the game “Prey” uses this particular alternate future.
fobone
@HJSDGCE, God’s Wrath
Sure. But…you know, none of that’s really tangible or “real”.
I think we should have Science Fiction thread for topics like these, though I’m not sure if people would use it for that and just post sci-fi movies and the like on it.
Sure. But…you know, none of that’s really tangible or “real”.
I think we should have Science Fiction thread for topics like these, though I’m not sure if people would use it for that and just post sci-fi movies and the like on it.
Scrabbleman
[screams in German]
@fobone
I think people would do exactly that. It’s a shame that the majority of humanity can only do references and reposts instead of any actual interesting and original topics.
I think people would do exactly that. It’s a shame that the majority of humanity can only do references and reposts instead of any actual interesting and original topics.
Valerie Shimmerwing
@fobone
The time travel portion is for the sake of argument, just in case if anyone brings it up.
The time travel portion is for the sake of argument, just in case if anyone brings it up.
Scrabbleman
[screams in German]
@Fluttershy the Naturalist
But hey, if we could actually do time travel, I’d love to go to the future, get some future tech, go back and monopolize it. I may sound like a dick, sure. But if my theory of time travel is correct, that means it was already meant to happen and nothing changed in the future.
I just get rich, but time is pretty stable.
But hey, if we could actually do time travel, I’d love to go to the future, get some future tech, go back and monopolize it. I may sound like a dick, sure. But if my theory of time travel is correct, that means it was already meant to happen and nothing changed in the future.
I just get rich, but time is pretty stable.
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