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Actually 7 January is 13 days after 25 December, the difference will increase to 14 days in the year 2100 (when the Gregorian calendar does not have a leap year again, but the Julian calendar does).
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I called it a 14-day shift because the 1st of each month becomes the 14th  
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Actually 7 January is 13 days after 25 December, the difference will increase to 14 days in the year 2100 (when the Gregorian calendar does not have a leap year again, but the Julian calendar does).
 
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Jesus wouldn’t even have been born on Dec. 25 since his time predated the Gregorian calendar. Some orthodox sects celebrate Christmas on January 7th to correct for the shift from the Julian calendar.
 
Christmas is celebrated on Dec 25 by everyone. The reason some Orthodox celebrate in on Jan 7 is because their Churches still use Julian calendar, while the country uses Gregorian, so they get a 14-day shift on all religious holidays (except Easter, since it’s calculated separate from the calendar).
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Jesus wouldn’t even have been born on Dec. 25 since his time predated the Gregorian calendar. Some orthodox sects celebrate Christmas on January 7th to correct for the shift from the Julian calendar.
 
It’s also believed now in some parts of academia that if the birth of Christ actually happened, it was probably sometime during the period 7-4BC, as Herod the Great (yes, that one, who the Bible says ordered the slaughter of innocent children) died in about 4BC.
 
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The original feast day was celebrating the birth of the Sun God as it was the Winter Solstice, the shortest day of the year. It was sort of a rebirth of the sun sort of festival. And when Christianity took control of Rome, they essentially stole it by adapting their own object of worship to it as Christianity before that had no feast days. It was more or less a way of keeping a feast day from an older tradition rather than scraping it all together and possibly making a new one. This also draws a lot of things into perspective as the original feast day was honoring the Sun God (Jesus being the son of god) and then of course the halos in the vast majority of christian art which represents the sun.
 
Except this (I feel should be pointed out) also might not be accurate. It is true that one suggested explanation for the December 25th Christmas date is as an appropriation of Sol Invictus (as established by the Roman emperor Aurelian in 274 C.E.), as well as the Roman Saturnalia festival which traditionally took place in late December. Except Saturnalia ended on the 23rd, and as wikipedia is quick to point out:  
[One] scholar has commented that, “while the winter solstice on or around December 25 was well established in the Roman imperial calendar, there is no evidence that a religious celebration of Sol on that day antedated the celebration of Christmas”.
Another point to consider, from an article by Andrew McGowan (Dean and President of the Berkeley Divinity School at Yale), suggests there is a lack of evidence to suggest Christmas appropriated the date.  
Despite its popularity today, this theory of Christmas’s origins has its problems. It is not found in any ancient Christian writings, for one thing. Christian authors of the time do note a connection between the solstice and Jesus’ birth: The church father Ambrose (c. 339–397), for example, described Christ as the true sun, who outshone the fallen gods of the old order. But early Christian writers never hint at any recent calendrical engineering; they clearly don’t think the date was chosen by the church. Rather they see the coincidence as a providential sign, as natural proof that God had selected Jesus over the false pagan gods.
In fact, the idea that the early Christians adopted the date of Aurelian’s festival did not appear until the 12th century. Again from wikipedia:  
An explicit expression of this theory appears in an annotation of uncertain date added to a manuscript of a work by 12th-century Syrian bishop Jacob Bar-Salibi. The scribe who added it wrote: “It was a custom of the Pagans to celebrate on the same 25 December the birthday of the Sun, at which they kindled lights in token of festivity. In these solemnities and revelries the Christians also took part. Accordingly when the doctors of the Church perceived that the Christians had a leaning to this festival, they took counsel and resolved that the true Nativity should be solemnised on that day.”
And from Andrew McGowan:  
There are problems with this popular theory, however, as many scholars recognize. Most significantly, the first mention of a date for Christmas (c. 200) and the earliest celebrations that we know about (c. 250–300) come in a period when Christians were not borrowing heavily from pagan traditions of such an obvious character.
There is also the possibility the date was not chosen in regards to any winter festival at all. Starting about the year 200, many Christians accepted that the death of Jesus occurred on March 25th (on the Julian calendar). Because certain Jewish traditions asserted righteous men died on the same day they were conceived, many placed Jesus’ conception on March 25th as well. The 204 C.E. writings of Hippolytus of Rome, therefore, placed the birth on December 25th, exactly nine months after the date of conception.
 
 
And now that I’ve said all that, I hope you won’t take this the wrong way. I’m not trying to start anything or deny there are any pagan influences in Christmas. I freely admit that modern day Christmas is filled with themes and traditions borrowed from other cultures over the course of the years this holiday has existed, and the continued existence of the holiday owes as much to that influence as it does to the Christians. I just rarely see the origin of the holiday discussed much outside of the idea that it was “stolen”, and as it is my favorite holiday I feel a need to add to the conversation.
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Jesus wouldn’t even have been born on Dec. 25 since his time predated the Gregorian calendar. Some orthodox sects celebrate Christmas on January 7th to correct for the shift from the Julian calendar.
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Wouldn’t it be whatever the Canadian equivalent of July 4th is? (In terms of holiday rather than calendar date, wise guy.)
 
 
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as the original feast day was honoring the Sun God (Jesus being the son of god)
 
Would this pun even work in… Whatever they spoke in that place and time?
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@Aperture_pony  
The original feast day was celebrating the birth of the Sun God as it was the Winter Solstice, the shortest day of the year. It was sort of a rebirth of the sun sort of festival. And when Christianity took control of Rome, they essentially stole it by adapting their own object of worship to it as Christianity before that had no feast days. It was more or less a way of keeping a feast day from an older tradition rather than scraping it all together and possibly making a new one. This also draws a lot of things into perspective as the original feast day was honoring the Sun God (Jesus being the son of god) and then of course the halos in the vast majority of christian art which represents the sun.
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@ChuymaruZ  
Actually, there is evidence, that Christmas was indeed once a Pagan holiday, the catholic church just made it up to make that holiday into the birthday of Jesus. There is no real evidence, that Jesus have been born on that day.