@HumanoSiniestro
She had a village full of brainwashed slaves, tried to add a princess (and her friends) to the collection, fucked with space-time, and (while at least trying to become a better pony) magically mind controlled five the aforementioned princess’ friends.
@Scrounge
I’m glad they are trying to make her more interesting and I’m not going to stop watching the show because of her nor am I going to complain everytime she’s on screen people did that with the new castle and look what that’s accomplished. However I’m not going to ignore the writers mistake of forcing her in with no build up or consequences it’s just something that will be attached to her character forever, I will enjoy the times she is well written but I will also still remember how forced she is.
I can think of one way for her to face consequences later on: there’s been no indication that her crimes are public knowledge yet. Maybe, if we’re lucky, something may come of that.
I like this idea I doubt anything will come of it since the writers seem to be stuck on the idea she should be on par with the main 6 and just as infallible as they are but I still like your idea never the less.
@Pagan You might not want her dead, but there’s plenty of people on this site who do. (And, admittedly, plenty who don’t, too; this is a heavily populated site)
For what it’s worth (not much), my headcanon is that Starlight knows how undeserved it is, and that’s the point, they want her to feel indebted to them.
I’m with you that she should have gotten something, even if it was a slap on the wrist (do horses have wrists?), but the proper time to do that was last season, and retcons can end up sloppier than the problem they were meant to fix, so for the time being I’m just gonna wait and see how this goes. And, well, she seems more reformed than Discord, so she’s got that going for her.
I can think of one way for her to face consequences later on: there’s been no indication that her crimes are public knowledge yet. Maybe, if we’re lucky, something may come of that.
@Scrounge
I’d think I should have gotten some manual labor at the least and I mean that I have made mistakes before and asked my grandmother if there is something I can do to make up for it.
You talk like we want her dead that is the furthest thing from the truth I don’t want to see her harmed I want to see her have consequences for her actions something a good narrative should have brushing off consequences and ignoring the plot of the story is awful story telling.
They have made her a little bit more likeable in recent episodes thankfully but it’s still unearned and undeserved she’s not only their friend she’s Twilights student and she did nothing to earn her place there, the writers are going to have to really step up their writing skills if they want people to forget how poorly she was inserted into the group.
Starlight did surrender at the end, and claimed to be willing to accept whatever punishment she was given.
More significantly, though, is that she now recognizes Twilight’s authority, and while her fears caused her to drag her hooves for a bit, she reunited with Sunburst in large part because Twilight said she should.
When the Mane Six discuss her fate, her power is the last thing mentioned before they deliver their verdict. If you feel that Starlight received more mercy than she deserved, ask yourself this: what would you do if it was your life that they spared?
@Vree
Please feel free to point out when exactly I used a “warped head canon” to justify my arguements and counter arguments and not actual facts that were stated and/or shown by the show or demonstrated by the characters actions and diolgue. I’m pretty sure my last statement articulated the point I was trying to get across pretty well but I can understand if you missed it in your rush to show support for the side that shares your interpretation of events.
@Vree
Hahaha he literally put something that happened to him that he ended up getting over and you call that canon? Unless he became a tyrant I doubt he reacted like she did.
And yeah when you’re like 9 or 10 and you lose a single friend you are definitely not going to try and make another you’re going to say never again no more friends I like being alone unless they conform to my rule yeah that’s something kids do all the time.
Yep that’s all based around the show and not headcanon at all after all canon clearly means taking something you did and applying it to the show.
@Pagan
There was someone in one of the neighborhoods that I used to live in. I used to go to the person’s house and play video games or ride my bike with him around the area. However, he left and I wasn’t able to get anything like an email address or even a home address so that I could be able to maintain contact with him. In this case, is it particularly my fault that I wasn’t able to contact him or didn’t? If not, then you shouldn’t fault her for not being able to contact Sunburst or not trying to do so. Besides, Sunburst is the one who left.
Starlight believed that if she tried to make friends, then once they received their cutie marks, they would leave and not be her friend anymore. Why would she be motivated to even try if she believed that the outcome would be terrible? She was a filly during the time, so concluding that cutie marks would break friendships apart after seeing her friend sent to Canterlot right after he received her cutie mark would seem to be reasonable to her. Also, what makes you think that making friends is easy for everyone? I have never been able to make friends even the slightest bit easily, much less retain them. Besides, it isn’t like you can just replace friends.
@Mr grump
Sunset stated that she planned to take over Equestria with the power of the Element of Magic. It’s likely that she would have tried to do so regardless of whether the element of magic warped her demeanor, so she didn’t have any other reason for the things that she did besides the pursuit of power.
Starlight was momentarily consumed by her anger after the four who chased her caused her to drop the Mane Six’s cutie marks. She lied only about the fact that she didn’t remove her cutie mark, but she was being sincere about her ideology. You just stated that she was beginning to lose her temper in the other occurence so she wasn’t exactly lucid.
Sunset was ordered to repair the destroyed portion of Canterlot High because she destroyed it, and the reason for the other students not trusting her afterwards is due to the fact that she had been continuously malicious to them before she saw the error of her ways. In contrast, the ponies in her village were mainly upset about Starlight lying to them about her cutie mark and also because she didn’t give them the chance to be friends without needing to have their cutie marks removed. The scope of Starlight’s actions were smaller than Sunset’s. Starlight’s actions affected only the villagers in her town and the Mane Six and as I just stated, they were upset that she lied to them. It’s not likely for the usage of the brainwashing room to be frequent if her villagers were convinced to follow her ideology and willingly had their cutie marks removed. In any case, she might have thought that the brainwashing room would be necessary.
Stating that she made the village because she believed that society wronged her and not because of her ideology is very misleading.
I really like it that you’re forming your opinion on the actual show, instead of some warped headcanon like some others I could name.
Goddamn I did it again! I got to remember to login in before replying to people. I feel like I’m taking up way to much room on this thread so I’m gonna give it a break after this and let other people have their say.
Starlight was angry when she attacked her followers, not corrupted or possessed. It was a conscious decision on her part to hurt others and being angry is no excuse for attempted murder/assault.
Starlights philosophy sprung from het belief that cutie marks were responsible for her pain and hated the current society for valuing them, hence why she wanted to replace it with her own. Starlight had no problem resorting to kidnapping and brainwashing ponies that were already happy with their lives and refused to buy into her philosophy and the fact that the other villiagers had to sneak around and have secret meetings for fear of reprisal does not pain a picture of a pleasent, altruistic supreme leader.
Sunset was cruel to the students at Canterlot high and she was rightfully ostrasized by them for it and should have had to do manual labor whether she blew up that wall or not. Starlight should have got the same and no amount of “good intentions” should have got starlight off as easily as they did.
Twilight forgave starlight because she is a good person and thats why we love her and forgiveness was both the moral and the practical choice on her part but redemption should be a journey filled with self reflection and discovery and should be earned in blood (not literally),sweat and tears untill you have proven yourself through actions. We got to follow sunset on this journey and the audience themselves was able to forgive her. Starlight on the other had her journey wrap up in a two minute montage and didnt do anything but screw around with the mane 6 and then was accepted back by the ponies she hurt the most the second she showed up with a sad look on her face.
I hope that season 6 does not open with the assumption that starlight has nothing left to prove because having starlight continue to flip karma the bird and carry on like nothing happened is a good way to make people dislike her more. In the end art is subjective and you have every right to like starlight but there are plenty of reasons for people to dislike her and her redemption should have been handled better then it was.
That sounds like a criminal war, you know? Because is something really awful.
She had a village full of brainwashed slaves, tried to add a princess (and her friends) to the collection, fucked with space-time, and (while at least trying to become a better pony) magically mind controlled five the aforementioned princess’ friends.
Silence! You do not have permission to reject a UN member!
…How did I not see that?
Was referring to putting “was” before “she”, but that too.
Left out the comma after “sorry”?
Well taking hostages and kidnapping high profile authorities is stuff that terrorists do a lot
I’m glad they are trying to make her more interesting and I’m not going to stop watching the show because of her nor am I going to complain everytime she’s on screen people did that with the new castle and look what that’s accomplished. However I’m not going to ignore the writers mistake of forcing her in with no build up or consequences it’s just something that will be attached to her character forever, I will enjoy the times she is well written but I will also still remember how forced she is.
I like this idea I doubt anything will come of it since the writers seem to be stuck on the idea she should be on par with the main 6 and just as infallible as they are but I still like your idea never the less.
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You might not want her dead, but there’s plenty of people on this site who do. (And, admittedly, plenty who don’t, too; this is a heavily populated site)
For what it’s worth (not much), my headcanon is that Starlight knows how undeserved it is, and that’s the point, they want her to feel indebted to them.
I’m with you that she should have gotten something, even if it was a slap on the wrist (do horses have wrists?), but the proper time to do that was last season, and retcons can end up sloppier than the problem they were meant to fix, so for the time being I’m just gonna wait and see how this goes. And, well, she seems more reformed than Discord, so she’s got that going for her.
I can think of one way for her to face consequences later on: there’s been no indication that her crimes are public knowledge yet. Maybe, if we’re lucky, something may come of that.
I’d think I should have gotten some manual labor at the least and I mean that I have made mistakes before and asked my grandmother if there is something I can do to make up for it.
You talk like we want her dead that is the furthest thing from the truth I don’t want to see her harmed I want to see her have consequences for her actions something a good narrative should have brushing off consequences and ignoring the plot of the story is awful story telling.
They have made her a little bit more likeable in recent episodes thankfully but it’s still unearned and undeserved she’s not only their friend she’s Twilights student and she did nothing to earn her place there, the writers are going to have to really step up their writing skills if they want people to forget how poorly she was inserted into the group.
More significantly, though, is that she now recognizes Twilight’s authority, and while her fears caused her to drag her hooves for a bit, she reunited with Sunburst in large part because Twilight said she should.
When the Mane Six discuss her fate, her power is the last thing mentioned before they deliver their verdict. If you feel that Starlight received more mercy than she deserved, ask yourself this: what would you do if it was your life that they spared?
Please feel free to point out when exactly I used a “warped head canon” to justify my arguements and counter arguments and not actual facts that were stated and/or shown by the show or demonstrated by the characters actions and diolgue. I’m pretty sure my last statement articulated the point I was trying to get across pretty well but I can understand if you missed it in your rush to show support for the side that shares your interpretation of events.
Also I like how you waited 5 days to say anything so no one would contradict you like people don’t have notifications.
Hahaha he literally put something that happened to him that he ended up getting over and you call that canon? Unless he became a tyrant I doubt he reacted like she did.
And yeah when you’re like 9 or 10 and you lose a single friend you are definitely not going to try and make another you’re going to say never again no more friends I like being alone unless they conform to my rule yeah that’s something kids do all the time.
Yep that’s all based around the show and not headcanon at all after all canon clearly means taking something you did and applying it to the show.
You. All my respect to you man ;)
I really like it that you’re forming your opinion on the actual show, instead of some warped headcanon like some others I could name.
You’re forgiven. It’s not you.
…I’m muslim and I really wish people would do that for me…
I really hope the writers don’t do what you said and act as if Glimmer has nothing left to prove.
Thanks.
Goddamn I did it again! I got to remember to login in before replying to people. I feel like I’m taking up way to much room on this thread so I’m gonna give it a break after this and let other people have their say.
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