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ahh Spynder was my very first OTP and it still is my non-pony OTP of all time.
if it depends on hasbro, then we won’t have anything new for his design
Also, am I the only one who’s waiting for Spike’s design to update? If Twilight can grow wings Spike can start looking like a teenager regularly.
And yet, justifying my reasons counts as making this a battlefield apparently, simply because I write more than you, which is the only difference between our posts. Sure ok, that sounds totally fair. This was never about “winning”, dunno why you saw it that way. It was merely about someone calling you out on trying to peg an entire group of people under an unfair light based on a fallacy. And then not wanting to admit it. That’ all.
I’ll just end it on the note that I have no problems with whatever you “justified”, your opinion is yours. I was only talking about the parts you conveniently ignore, and then act as if you had answered them.
And the perfect excuse?: “Look at this guy and how much he writes! Am I right, guys?”
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Actually I just decided you’re not worth my time. I already justified my reasons for saying what I said. Can’t handle it? Tough cookies.
But if you wanna say you won, by all means, have a party, congrats, you “won” an internet discussion by turning the comment section of a decent picture into a battlefield.
your current filter.So basically, it comes down to the same thing it always happens when someone points out your opinion isn’t a fact. You make a million excuses, pretend you represent the whole fanbase, and then run away when proven wrong. Well, that sounds about right. If not being able to read too much is the reason you’ll choose to avoid owning up to you mistakes, then that’s ok.
@Daneasaur
You’re going with a textbook “running away” reply then? Ok.
Also:
@Mr grump
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I like your style.
I wouldn’t bother continuing this silliness with this guy and his lovingly crafted walls of text if I were you. I don’t know what you guy’s were arguing about (something to do with people associating spike with spyro for nostalgia’s sake?) But whoever “wins” this arguement still loses.
Because as good as his games were, No one gives a crap about spyro anymore. He’s well past relevent.
Now, lets all return to argueing over who best pony is. Or dragon. The answer to both is Trixie and Dragonlord Torch of course.
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Hmm… reply to this and point out where you’re right/wrong, or refuse to reply, letting you think you have won the internet argument and your incorrect assumptions and statements hang in the air?
Amusing that you’ve continually stated that if I don’t reply, I’ve been “proven wrong” about how I made an offhand comment about spike with wings resembling spyro.
I think I’ll let your comments linger for a while and let other people toss in their two cents, if they feel like it. Maybe I’ll reply. I have better things to do than argue with someone here who doesn’t even have a profile image.
@Daneasaur
Except there totally is. Spike had let his failures bring him down to the point where he didn’t feel content with himself anymore since was humiliated in front of many people. He wanted to make up for screwing up because he thought “undoing” your screw ups so other people praise you, was the only way to feel better with yourself and move forward. He learned that in the end, its what you think of yourself that’s most important, and that the reason he couldn’t move forward wasn’t because he felt the others hadn’t forgiven him, but was because he hadn’t forgiven himself yet.
If you don’t relate to it and have never been in a similar situation in your life, good for you. I can assure you though, that’s the one thing I’ve seen almost every reviewer agree on. The moral of this episode was extremely relatable for most people because unless you’ve either never tried anything, or are some perfect godlike being that never messes up, then everyone has screwed up in front of others at some point in their lives, and been affected by the humiliation and the need to somehow “undo” the damage.
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
The more I talk about this, the more I believe that you don’t like the episode because you didn’t get it at all.
@Daneasaur
I love Spike, but that was his own fault, for being so eager to repair his previous mistake, that he threw himself into another big thing without even basic preparation or knowledge.
And of course there’s no “lesson” there, the lesson comes at the end. The relevance of that scene was to SHOW us exactly how embarrassed and disappointed with himself Spike was. And it did a magnificent job at that. The moral at the end has more meaning because of it. Without that scene, it would’ve been just a case “tell not show” where we’re supposed to believe Spike is super embarrassed because the writers say so.
@Daneasaur
Facepalm Did destroying the iceberg and saving all those ponies make him feel better with imself? Did it? That’ the only question you have to ask yourself and then its “ooooh”.
Like I said before, the issue was Spike thought he had to do something like that (like you said, throwing himself to prove himself to others) to feel better with himself. The iceberg scene was to show how even though he wasn’t the screw-up he had believed he has, and even though he had technically “erased” his previous mess by saving everyone, he still felt bad because it wasn’t everyone’s opinion of the mistakes that was affecting him, but his own.
The Iceberg scene didn’t undermine sh*t because it DIDN’T solve the problem.
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
Also, lets say things as they are already. Most of the personality traits from Spyro that you “claim” people want Spike to have, are actually simply the usual positive personality traits anyone would expect someone to develop as they age. Spike is already snarky and funny (or at least was supposed to be) so that’s got nothing to do with Spyro. What else is there? Being brave, noble and generous? I’m pretty sure all those count as general attributes people usually want their favorite child characters to grow into. So again, Spyro my ass.
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
Also, its not “winged Spike”. Older Spike in general is usually put in more mature and serious light than baby Spike whether he has wings or not, which you know, makes sense. I’ve also seen countless winged Spike pics that don’t paint him “majestic” like you’re saying. He’s just not tripping down the stairs or accidentally burning something. Which again, makes sense from someone who’s a bit older and wiser.
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
Really classy. Trying to use someone else’s post about the topic dragging so much to try and gain any highground.
This whole thing is because you made an arrogant claim, was called out on it, and now you’re trying to squirm your way out of it by shifting the topic into episode reviews. I can’t believe this.
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
You’re the one who claimed Spike “was the last man standing”, I clearly told you that’s wrong because both the Pegasi and the Earth Ponies were perfectly fine and still couldn’t do sh*t, and that even with their magic most normal unicorns would have more trouble than Spike handling that situation, and now you’re trying to shift the indecisiveness in me?
Why don’t you own up to your mistake already mate, because it’s getting old. One third of the Pony races were in full control of their abilities, and they still couldn’t do shit. Last man standing, amirite? But of course, now you’ll try to make up excuses about how “that’s not what you were saying”.
@Daneasaur
This once again reverts to not being to tell the difference between criticizing something for what it is, instead of for what we wanted it to be. Any episode like this will always look bad for you until you can stop expecting them to live up to the hype you’ve accumulated for who knows how long.
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
ONE person said:
@maverick159
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
At this point, I fully believe you’re just refusing to admit it because I cannot accept that you’re not getting the issue yet. Not only does one person do not represent the majority, but also the fact that people aren’t blind and can recognize the similarities between them doesn’t mean they want Spike to become like him in every way. And that’s quite literally what you said. In b4 denial.
@Daneasaur
But why do even I try? You’re obviously just going to ignore all these things like you always do.
Why not drop the charade already? This isn’t the first time I’ve seen you argue this particular topic so I know you have personal reasons for not wanting Spike to grow wings.
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
What exactly is the problem with this?
Yes, people who draw him that way do so because they want him to look like how an actual dragon is usually portrayed. Because Dragons are awesome, and the wings are as much a staple of the Dragon image, as the fire breath is. Why is this an issue?
@Daneasaur
Dude, I know. I know you are one of those who somehow preffer the idea of a wingless “buffer” Spike. Trust me, I get it. But you won’t win any arguments trying to blame artists of making Spike winged because they can’t appreciate wingless dragons as much as you.
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
Again, I don’t see why you brought up the whole “used for comedy/slapstick” argument in the first place. It has nothing to do with whether he’d get wings or not.
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Yeah, sorry.
Been too long…
you mean activision right?
1: Most people dislike the episode and it doesn’t have anything to do with the games, but with the fact that Spike continues to be useless.
However, Spike was NOT always useless. What was his role? To keep Twilight SANE. To keep her connected to the real world and explain to her how the real world works. He was the Sam to her Frodo, or did you forget that Lesson Zero was quite literaly Twilight freaking out over a problem and ignoring Spike the entire time, and her ignoring of him causes the storm of trouble and only Spike sending a message to Celestia that Twilight is off her rocker stops the mayhem?
The problem is that aspect was dropped as the series went on and was promptly forgotten once Twilight ascended. He re-showed this usefulness when the season 6 opener showcases him spending his time with Starlight and, look at that, he’s simplifying and shorthanding the situation for Starlight so that she knows what her teacher wants from her. The original purpose of the character in this generation.
2: You’re contradicting yourself. First you say “Spike only did what most unicorns would have done” then you turn and say “he showed more power than the unicorns, earth ponies, and pegasi”.
Make up your mind.
I’m saying that Spike has his own strengths, and for the most part, they aren’t used. This has nothing to do with his “power level”, it has to do with playing to the strengths of the character. Such as his ability to be clever when it comes to realistic situations, to simplify complex matters, to be a voice of reaso nwhen someone is losing their mind.
None of this has to do with fire breath.
3: I already explained the spyro thing. The fact that you can’t understand what I’m talking about shows that you will never understand what I’m telling you. Maybe if I simplify this complex topic, you’ll get it:
~Spyro is purple and green, so is spike
~Spyro is snarky and mature and has wings, mature spike is often seen the same way
~Someone says “Spike reminds me of Spyro” in a picture where he is “mature and has wings”
~Mention it’s probably due to the fact that Spyro was part of their childhood and many winged renditions of Spike make him a Spyro proxy
4: I didn’t say “never grow wings”, I said the other dragon point out that HE DOESN’T HAVE WINGS. Garble points this out, the other dragons in gauntlet of fire point this out. Nothing indicates they are age related. Will he sprout wings? I doubt it, they have had many opportunities where him popping out wings would have benefited him, but he also didn’t have them the two times he became an adult.
For going point by point on my statements, you don’t read them too well.
5: The people who want him to have wings generally want him to be more like a typical dragon, or don’t have a concept of wingless dragons. The people who don’t want him with wings see him as a different type of dragon and something that would make him much more interesting in the long run as well as going off of the fact that his two adult appearances (even toy) do not have wings, therefore it makes sense to not add them unless official media gives them to him.
6: Noble in this context is basically “mature and not goofy”. That’s all.
7: Okay.
8: I did mention Inspiration Manifestation was a potentially good one that people overlooked. he started the problem but also stopped it. I don’t count Equestria games because there IS no lesson. The message it gives is “don’t be a hero”. They expect him to be a hero, so they want him to light the torch. Before, he’s happy to have countless crystal ponies worshiping him at any given moment, but NOW he has cold feet. The anthem was him trying to fall back on a different set of skills he has, but he isn’t able to back out of it because they FORCE him to sing a song he doesn’t know. No lesson there. Him “acting and burning the iceberg” was him being a hero by throwing himself out there to do something. Basically, the exact same thing he’d been doing all episode, except NOW it works. It was not well written as it undermines it’s own lesson. “Here have the honor of lighting the torch to the games, oops you’re too arrogant so now you’re shy and can’t do it, well shame on you for acting without thinking. Here, sing a song for your friends, oops you didn’t see your friends didn’t win, well shame on you for acting without thinking. Look at that, you melted the iceberg and saved everyone, kudos to you for acting without thinking!”
Mixed messages are a sign of a poorly thought out plot, regardless of how stupid everything else was.
9: What do you know, you now realize part of the reason I mentioned the Spyro thing in the first place.
10: Wow, the mother of all contradicting statements, where do I begin? I already answered this. See points 3 and 5.
The only other thing to address is the “wings will change him”. Show me images of him sporting wings and being a buttmonkey. Show images of him with wings and not being “majestic” or “mature” or “serious”.
There is a tag for “Winged spike” and you’ll be hard pressed to find ANYONE who gives him wings AND treats him like a living pratfall factory.
I said “it’ll never happen” in regards to him stopping the pratfalls. The wings won’t stop it, growing older won’t stop it, not in the canon.
Glorious, ain’t it? Even after explaining why I said what I said, this person just can’t seem to grasp why I said it or that I’m wrong for not liking a totally unrelated episode.
@Mr grump
Spyro 1, 2, and 3 were VERY enjoyable. Sadly, the first PS2 games had HORRIFYING load times and were not good until it was “rebooted” into the other Spyro trilogy that introduced Cynder.
After that… ubisoft killed it.
What I’ve noticed though, is that most of your problems with it come from the fact that it didn’t portray Spike the way you want it to. You’re focusing on the things that didn’t play out the way you wanted them to play out. Again, it makes sense for Spike to get nervous at thousands of ponies looking at him, the song was supposed to be cringy, not hilarious, and accomplished that perfectly, and they had to disable the most powerful magic users so that there was a reason for Spike to save the day. Otherwise it’d make no sense.
Why? Because yes, we just have to accept that he’s still a goddamn baby. So of course he’s still not able to one up the damn Alicorns princesses, so of course there had to be a reason why they couldn’t save the day and Spike had the chance. Right now they still can do almost everything Spike can do, so I don’t really get you here. At least for the Alicorns, that’s going to be a thing until Spike grows up.
@Daneasaur
Spike is still a baby, and he’s already overall more powerful than any earth pony, pegasi and most unicorns. And you’re complaining that this list doesn’t include the Alicorns already? See, part of your dislike for this episode does seem to come from how you can’t wait for Spike to become more OP than everyone.
@Daneasaur
Also, what about all the artists that want the same thing about his character that also draw him older but without wings? Does that mean they want a 4ever buttmonkey Spike just because they don’t add wings?
Dude, it’s a cosmetic thing that for some people makes him look cooler. Spyro my ass.
Just accept it already.
@Daneasaur
And everytime other dragons point out his lack of wings they do so while either mocking his age and ridiculing him for it. Heck, the first time they did it they still even talked about his “mom” having them, which goes against the “wingless subspecies” argument. They made a direct assumption that adult=wings, while ridiculing Spike’s lack of wings in the middle of the “lol he’s such a baby” conversation.
@Daneasaur
They’re going to look alike wings or no wings, so again, I don’t see what the issue is. People want Spike to grow wings because dragons have wings, and look cool with wings. Bringing up Spyro as a reason for them just because he’s a “cool” purple dragon, is just your idea. If Spike was green, red, blue or whatever, and had a completely different personality, people would still want him to have wings as he grows.
@Daneasaur
Also, I still haven’t seen anyone who thinks/draws Spike on the same “noble” level as the princesses, unless he’s already fully grown in some alternate future. He won’t ever be as “worthy” as them (no one will, except maybe EoS Twilight) in the same that you’re reffering because that’s their role in the show. They’re the absolute “mentors”.
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
Spike can grow wings and still remain the exact same character. You’re claim that people want him to have wings because they want him to change and act more like Spyro, is unfounded.
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But you did decide to point by point how I’m wrong and the episode was good. It simply wasn’t, and I’m pointing to the fact that a really stupid set of situations that completely disables everyone else of merit has to take place THEN Spike is useful, but it’s not because he’s great, it’s because he’s the only one left.
It’s easy to be the tallest person when you’re the last man standing.
But you want me to re-address the Spyro thing, then fine:
@Background Pony #D684
Here is what I mean about the Spyro thing. Spyro is the smallest dragon. Spyro is purple and green. Spyro is fairly silly and snarky, but he’s a hero. Spyro also has wings. Most people want to see SPIKE become more snarky, less in the back seat. They want to see him take charge, be in the forefront and not being a buttmonkey. 9 times out of 10, this involves “making him grow up” in fan art. And look at that, many times, they make spike sprout wings for no reason, despite the series pointing out several times that Spike not having wings IS SOMETHING EVEN OTHER DRAGONS HAVE TO POINT OUT. Regardless, by the time most people are done “growing up” spike, he suddenly looks a Lot like Spyro, doesn’t he?
The Noble statement is where he is, yes, basically large, majestic, and isn’t used for pratfalls. As you stated, only the princesses are resistant to that. It’s how some fans view him and I state that it won’t happen unless he is suddenly seen as “worthy” AS said princesses.
Gauntlet of fire was a change. I LOVE Secret of my Excess, I think it shows a great strength of spirit for Spike and massive potential, but that potential was untapped for the most part as the series went on. The show of spirit in SomE was not spelled out for the less intelligent crowds where it was all due to Spike CHOOSING to give up his desires to try to have Rarity’s love instead. Sadly, we went to Dragon’s Quest, where he is finally getting Rarity’s admiration and affection, something he spent the whole series and most of his character development for, which he suddenly throws out to go “find himself” like an angsty teen (he probably was). Then it was back to the usual pratfalling while any deeper character to him was ignored beyond “Lol isn’t Spike so funny?” and “isn’t it funny seeing him get neck deep into trouble?!”
FINALLY we get to Gauntlet of fire and suddenly… Spike is taking charge. He is the one saying what to do, and it’s a smart decision. He’s the one making his own choices and everything plays out the right way without twilight or rarity interfering, only his actions and those of ember, someone he saved and befriended during these events, play towards the final goal in which he succeeds.
Will he retain this “noble” and positive outlook for future situations? Maybe, but so far they have gone back to using him as the buttmonkey for every other scene, such as Newbie Dash.
The “idiot ball” you’re talking about was basically the strong magic users (the only ones who could do anything) hestitating for a moment due to the realization that they’d have to find a solution without magic, something they’re clearly not used to at all. Spike didn’t hestitate because nothing was cutting his abilities. That’s it.
@Daneasaur
And why is it rare for him to feel preassure at that point? Its one thing when 1-3 ponies call you a hero and treat you kindly, and another when there’s suddenly thousands of faces all fixed on you, all expecting you to live up to their overinflated expectations and not screw up. How in the world do you not see the difference?
@Daneasaur
@Daneasaur
This is one of those cases where you’re expecting too much scrutiny to detail from a kid’s show.
@Daneasaur
If it was rock, we know it would’ve still resulted the same because we’ve already seen he can melt metal, but the little kids would probably be confused about whether rocks can melt like that, not mention the possibility of having to deal with a huge wave of lava showering the stadium.
If it was the Changelings or any other living enemy, then well guess what? Since Spike doesn’t have any magical gems that can beat any enemy without actually harming them, and is still too small to fight physically, then having him be “badass” with his fire would result in a bunch of roasted corpses traumatizing children for life.
Sighs
You know, I’d like Spike to save the day in a more “convincing” way as much as you do my friend, but the threat in question they chose for the episode isn’t any reason bash on it. The point is they showed (again) how Spike doesn’t hestitate when poines are in danger, and that his little body contains way more power than initially thought. At least for the time being, why couldn’t you be happy about that? Its still so much more than most of the Mane6 could individually accomplish, which actually makes sense.
@Daneasaur
-Even a bunch of Pegasi couldn’t move the damn thing.
-E.Ponies can’t do anything about it either.
-99% of the Unicorn population only have enough magic to move hand-sized objects, and usually one extra, mundane-utility spell.
…Then that means they really only had to gimp the princesses (and maybe SA). That’s it. Even a bunch of unicorns together would’ve had much more trouble gettind rid of the ice than Spike did.
@Daneasaur
Anyways, that doesn’t have anything to do with it, since you ignored the rest of my post an replied only to my review of one episode.
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You can call equestria games whatever you like, but a good episode was not one of those things. The humor was not good and the only “heroic” thing done was due to the whole of equestria holding the idiot ball and dragon fire not being inhibited by the magic lock.
I didn’t know what to expect with equestria games beyond Dash, Bulk, and Fluttershy doing a relay. Spike is being worshiped by the crystal kingdom so he has the honor of lighting the torch. Woop, cold feet because he SUDDENLY feels pressure to live up to an incorrectly granted title, so no torch lighting, resulting in twilight doing it for him and him spouting off stupid lines about starting fires with his mind. **IT’S SO FUNNY!**No it isn’t.
So Spike decides he’ll do something he actually can do by singing the anthem of ponyville for the winning team of the relay race. Oop, look at that, it wasn’t ponyville reps, it was cloudsdale which he doesn’t know so instead of backing out properly, he’s stuck on the spot trying to sing a song he knows none of the lyrics to and has probably never herd the lyrics to. Commence cringe inducing minute long “song”. IT’S SO FUNNY!.No it’s not.
So he finally does the right thing and locks himself in his room so that he can’t end up in a position where he’s made fun of or make any mistakes. Oops, CMC are dragging him out for the closing events. This can’t end well.
Well he’s sitting on the sidelines while blah is going on, but suddenly a doorknob fires an ice arrow, which hits a cloud, which turns it into a stadium sized glacier that threatens to crush the contestants and in a stroke of brilliant intelligence, everyone, including the princesses, have their magic locked.
I must also say that that ice arrows are basically the equivalent of having olympic target practice with rocket launchers, considering how dangerous they are. Whoever the smarty pants was who came up with that sport needs their head examined.
So because it’s not a rock and it’s not a changeling invasion and it’s not basically any other possibly threat, dragon fire is able to melt it into water. Hurray.
The last minute of the episode does not make up for the previous terrible 21 minutes. It was not a good episode.
The only “good” thing about it is that it was a good example of how they had to gimp literally EVERYONE ELSE to make spike have any worth.
It was badly written and was a bad episode. The only two episodes I’d rate worse than it are dragons quest and spike at your service.
Indeed
Also, what exactly do you mean by “noble” here? Because I’m pretty sure Spike already qualifies as that. If you’re saying noble means he won’t be used for slapstick, then pretty much only the princesses are “noble”.
And even though I don’t really care about the Spyro thing, Gauntlet of Fire presented Spike in a way that would very easily allow for the “noble” idea that you’re throwing around. Spike is still too young and small, which is the only reason he couldn’t kick ass like Ember on that episode. He’s the buttmonkey when its required for him to be, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be used for more serious situations, so again, that argument doesn’t hold weight.
@Daneasaur
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Incorrect, I stated the prop pratfalls still fall to him.
In other words, they make Spike the buttmonkey and beat the tar out of him whenever they can except when they don’t want to?