The version I have doesn’t have that in it.

@lasty  
I honestly want to know what was going through their heads when they thought that one with Baby Doll and Killer Croc up. I mean didn’t they pretty much cover Baby Doll’s character entirely with her first episode? Why have her fall for Croc? At least Croc’s new design was pretty good. I mean Fear Itself, Lock Up, What is Reality?, and The Cape and Cowl Conspiracy are bad to the creators but they defended Critters in the DVD commentary and as far as I know they don’t have a beef with Love is a Croc.
 
Weird, I kinda consider most of Batman’s villains to be gangsters in some grotesque way (Joker, Penguin, Two-Face, Killer Croc, Ventriloquist are all mobsters with deformities or gimmicks if you think about it.

@chris the lovable jerk  
In a way, yes. It was a far, far more complex hallucination than any other time it was used in the Animated Series, so that could be a bit of a plothole.  
yeah… Another Scarecrow episode would have been most welcome. Hell, even just a flashback in Batman Beyond about him could have been good. But at least we got that horrifying “Baby Doll loves Killer Croc” episode, and that’s just as good! _{except it’s not!}  
Good ear. According to imdb (it’s uncredited in the episode), it is indeed Bennett.
 
What I should have said is that it doesn’t have super-villains or costumed villains. Some people find Batman vs. mobster stories uninteresting.

@Manely_McDragonpuncher  
I thought it was good for the most part: Judgement Day, Growing Pains, Old Wounds, Mad Love, Legends of the Dark Knight, Beware the Creeper, Torch Song, Mean Seasons, Holiday Knights, Never Fear, Joker’s Millions, Sins of the Father were all great episodes in my opinion but there were some stinkers like Over the Edge, Love is a Croc, Animal Act, and Critters (which the creators have openly defended while bashing some good episodes like Fear Itself and Lock-Up)
 
I thought Killer Croc and Poison Ivy’s redesigns were pretty good though but I always wondered why Catwoman’s skin was blue while she was in costume.

@chris the lovable jerk  
Oh right. That was a season 4 New Adventures episode. That season sucked. Scarecrow was the only one who’s redesigned helped. Joker looked like Freakazoid and Catwoman was blue for some reason.

@lasty  
True, but I always figured the reason the plot didn’t make sense was because of the fear gas. Yeah Scarecrow got screwed over big time in the last season: Great voice, creepy badass design but only got one episode to himself and a cameo in Over the Edge (and did Coombs deliever that laugh? Sounds a bit like Jeff Bennett to me.)
 
I guess you’re right, I like episodes like Moon of the Wolf and that one tends not to have many fans but I wouldn’t say that Its Never Too Late doesn’t have any villains, I mean Rupert Thorne might show up more than any other villain besides Joker.

@chris the lovable jerk  
I think it’s not so much that she believes commissioner Gordon would throw away his good-cop principals and hire a criminal like Bane to bring in Batman for something that clearly wasn’t his fault. Or that a handful of villains would end up with the Wayne fortune while the legend of the Batman would end with him unmasked, disgraced and tossed into Arkham. It’s that she’s afraid of it. Batman probably didn’t really think the giant ghost of his dad would call him a disgrace, that’s just how Fear Gas works. At least, that’s my take on the episode.  
If anything about the new Scarecrow was wasted here, it was his voice. Because, damn, that was a good Scarecrow voice.
 
Perchance to Dream did a lot of things well and a lot of other things really well. But, if people prefer Over the Edge, it’s just personal taste. Like how some people probably don’t like It’s Never Too Late because it’s slow or doesn’t have any villains, while others find it moving and excellent.

@Manely_McDragonpuncher  
No, Lock-Up’s episode is Lock-Up (Just like Bane’s episode is called Bane, Baby Doll is Baby Doll) and its the one where Batgirl dreams that Scarecrow killed her and she died in Commissioner Gordon’s arms and yet despite the fact that Scarecrow killed her Batman is blamed for the crime and Scarecrow vanishes completely after he kills Batgirl. While Gordon’s VA gives a great performance I think its sad that Barbara would ever think her dad would blame Batman for her death. I just never got why people liked it other than the performances and the fight with Bane (who Barbra thinks her father would work with to kill Batman) towards the end. Also Scarecrow’s awesome redesign is utterly wasted.
 
I know its just a dream episode but I never understood why it gets acclaim when Perchance to Dream did it much better.

@chris the lovable jerk  
Refresh my memory, what was Over the Edge about? is that the one with Lock-Up? And why didn’t you like it?

@Manely_McDragonpuncher  
It’s just okay. I’m one of those guys who looks at the acclaimed stuff like The Dark Knight, Mask of the Phantasm, TKJ, Year One, and The Dark Knight Returns and says “It’s okay, nothing to get all excited about.”
 
Hell the episode from Batman TAS, Over the Edge might be one of the most popular episodes that show ever made but its one of the few that I hate.

@chris the lovable jerk  
You say that like the Killing Joke isn’t one of the best Batman stories of all time. Of all time.

I like Bruce Timm and all but his obsession with Bruce/Barbara is weird, I mean we all know Batman/Catwoman is the one TRUE batman pairing. Plus the fact that they just won’t go ahead and go the GOOD Batman stories like The Long Halloween, Hush, or Court of Owls irks me.

She was rubbing against my Bat-Pole and one thing led to another. But yeah, it got weird after that. Like banging a co-worker.
 
I’m Batman.

@TexasUberAlles  
Well, she wasn’t expecting the Joker to show up at her house. Because the Joker didn’t know she was Batgirl. He was targeting Gordon.
 
But I get your point, Batman can and does change over time and based on the story and setting he’s in, but I still don’t think it’s something he’d do or should do. But The Killing Joke is one of the best and most important Batman stories out there, and this was an opportunity to expose a new group of people to the story who may not have seen it before. For Bruce Timm to put his own persona OTP (Bruce/Barbara ONLY appears in his stories and no where else) into the story when it wasn’t there originally and doesn’t fit with the rest of the story is… irksome, at the very least.

@Manely_McDragonpuncher  
common trait of Batman  
Well, that’s one of– if not THE– biggest problems with legacy characters that have been around for decades and been used in every medium available to tell every kind of story available; times change, writers and artists change, audience likes/dislikes change, and at various intervals the characters have to change as well. Batman started out as a gun-totin’ Pulp Detective along the lines of The Shadow, and many of the aspects of The Bat that audiences today take for granted– his occasionally pathological hatred of guns, for one major example– have really only been developed in the last couple of decades, and would be unrecognizable to someone immersed in the “common traits” of an earlier era. Many of the most highly regarded Batman stories came from the “Bronze Age” of the ‘70s and early ‘80s, where there were two very distinct sets of common traits, both of which were considered valid interpretations of the character and equally well suited to their intended audiences: the goofy and cartoony Superfriends Batman aimed at kids (a holdover from the sillier and more fun-oriented parts of the Silver Age) and the gritty, crime-obsessed Dark Knight Detective who presaged the darker turn that comics in general took in the post-Crisis ‘80s and ‘90s, but still wore a blue and light grey outfit. Neither has much in common with Kevin Conroy’s Batman, which is the defining take on the character to my mind.
 
If you think Bruce/Barbara is crap, that’s a perfectly valid interpretation. I never really liked Killing Joke in the first place because it was built around a core concept of Barbara– a gymnastic martial artist and brilliant crimefighter good enough to hang with Batman– just standin’ there and gettin’ blasted like a meat animal instead of kicking the pistol out the other side of the Joker’s face, and that seemed ridiculously out of character to me. It was still “in character” for that story.

@TexasUberAlles  
I’ve never heard the word “canon” used to describe an entire body of work. Only interchangeably with what you are calling “continuity”. But it’s not worth arguing over. The majority of Batmen you are describing are not part of the main DC continuity. Batman has been in hundreds of stories over the past 75 years. Of course some of them are going to portray him as acting out of character. Someone could make a story with Batman becoming a dinosaur. It doesn’t mean Batman being a dinosaur is a common trait of Batman. And fucking his best friend’s daughter is not a common trait of Batman.

@Manely_McDragonpuncher  
DC canon is, literally, every story DC puts out with their logo on it. It’s the entire body of work they produce, whether or not it connects to any other thing they produce.
 
What you are talking about is continuity, which is a self-contained story universe with some degree of internal consistency and relation between the stories told within it. If there are two distinct universes involving the same characters or concepts and those universes do not line up or “agree” with each other, neither is in continuity with the other– the DCAU of B:TAS and Justice League Unlimited is clearly not part of the same continuity as Beware The Batman or Justice League: War, for example– but both are still DC canon.

@TexasUberAlles  
Then it seems we are working on two different definitions of the word. From my point of view, something like Batman being a vampire is NOT “canon” because it took place in an alternate universe, outside the “main” DC continuity. So what do you think those words mean?

@Manely_McDragonpuncher  
I’m not sure you understand what ‘‘canonically’’ means  

 
“Canon” and “continuity” are in fact two different words, which are both fairly important when it comes to ongoing comic book franchises.

@AlsoSprachOdin
 
There’s a lot of factors here you are ignoring and I can’t tell if your’e doing it on purpose. The fact that they “work” together, the fact that he is atleast 15 years older than her, the weird power dynamic their professional and personal relationships have, and, most importantly, the fact that they HAVE to keep the relationship secret. Not only that, there’s also the fact that it creates a love triangle between Bruce, Barbara and Bruce’s adopted son. It just such a douche thing to do on so many levels that I don’t see it as within Batman’s character. He’s smarter than that, and he cares about the people in his life too much to do that for sex.

@TexasUberAlles  
Woah, don’t you dare diss Batman: Venom. Batman was not a “junkie loser” in that story. He was dealing with the fact that he failed to save a little girl trapped underwater, and turned to venom (the drug Bane uses) to cope. Once he realized how addicted he was, he went through a torturous ordeal to detox himself. Batman is human. Someone like Superman would never face a situation like that. He’d have smashed open the boulder blocking the cave, saved that little girl and then cracked open a beer to celebrate. Batman had to come to terms with his own limitations and face his own demons. It’s a great story! Also, a lot of those stories you mentioned are Elseworlds or otherwise out of continuity, so I’m not sure you understand what “canonically” means.

@Manely_McDragonpuncher  

I don’t think I can put myself in that situation, because I don’t have any friends or children, but I’ll try: I would dislike either case (friend or stranger), and the guy involved, if it were outside of marriage or a very steady relationship. And if it was a friend I would feel betrayed because he would likely know of my opinion on the matter. With a couple of rings, however, I might not be entirely opposed to mixing friendship and family, depending on the friend in question.
 
But if you’re someone who has no problem with their daughters jumping from one stranger’s dick to the next, it’s unclear where the particular harm is if one of those dicks should happen to be attached to a friend of yours.
 
Not my business how you raise your children, I’m just saying I don’t see the difference.  

I want you to explain exactly what in your view makes it better that a stranger screws your daughter than a friend. I mean, if it’s a dickmove to screw a friend’s daughter (no pun intended), isn’t it also wrong to screw an unknown man’s daughter? At least if she fucks guys you like enough to be friends with, it can’t be the worst possible choices she could have made.  
So far it just seems like an emotional knee-jerk reaction.

@Manely_McDragonpuncher  
Batman has, canonically, been: a bloodthirsty vampire who murders for food; a vicious psycho who forces an eight year old Dick Grayson to eat rats in the dark to survive; a terrorist bent on destroying the government; a terrorist bent on destroying the Justice League; a murderer who guns down criminals; a druggie loser addicted to Venom; a volunteer Nazi hunter who machineguns soldiers with a grin on his face; an ape, a pig, a pygmy, a giant, a toddler, a robot, calcium, bronze, clay, a literal bat, a literal bat-man, Thomas Wayne, and The Last Son Of Krypton.
 
Any argument built around “Batman would never–” is entirely your own personal opinion; DC can and will do whatever they want with the character, even if it’s dumb.

@AlsoSprachOdin  
Why wouldn’t it upset someone to know that their best friend was having sex with their daughter? I’m not sure what you’re asking.

@Manely_McDragonpuncher  
>it’s about knowing what boundaries not to cross and having consideration for your friends. Batman is smarter than that. He wouldn’t jeopardize his friendship with Jim Gordon for sex  
I’m sorry Manely, but this isn’t very specific. Why is there a boundary, and why would it jeopardize their friendship - as you see it? I don’t like to make assumptions as in @AlsoSprachOdin