@Pony_Roleplayer  
Chrysalis’s FIENDship is Magic issue (#5). See >>927326

@Fwelin  

 
Which comic is that one?

Yep, I should of just kept my mouth shut.headdesk

@Fighterpilot555  
Welcome to the comment section, my friend.

adventure in the comments  
Because I feel obligated to. C’mon guys, seriously.

Thanks

@Fwelin  
I’ve been asked to stop, so I am.
 
Cute Changelings.

@DAPLR  
No, because the fact that it was an impromptu twitter post means that it wasn’t an official event where he was given spokesman privileges. He can say what he’s heard before, and is probably more likely accurate than not, but he doesn’t get to speak for them in this case. Even his information might be second hand.
 
I just gave reasoning that it’s quite possible. The very nature of the topic makes it very prone to misunderstandings and stance changes, as well as the second-hand and impromptu nature of the response. For example, Big Jim once said that canon is whatever the reader/watcher decides to be, which is basically a shrug.
 
You call it a “damn sight more”, but I call it “extremely shakey”. I don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other as to whether they’re canon or not (though I find the debate interesting). If McCarthy, a future head writer that replaces McCarthy, or a Hasbro executive who has creative authority over the show say it’s canon, then I’ll believe it.

@Fwelin  
Fair point, but mustn’t we assume that if he speaks of what Hasbro considers that he is speaking on their behalf? Especially since this statement never got redacted?  
Also, even if we don’t consider that, we have to work with what is given to us, and an official Hasbro employee of some note, such as Andy Price, is far better than the nothing beforehand, or the head canons and theories of fans. As it stands, with evidence available to us, the comics are as canon as the show, yet have no impact on it and can have aspects of it changed to fit the story from the show since it’s story takes precedent.
 
You are attempting to make a hole in a statement by suggesting that it wasn’t 100 percent clear, wasn’t indicative of the IP’s owners wishes, or that the stance has changed. However, there is NOTHING to suggest that. I might as well say about anything anyone ever brings to. Hell, I’m starting to believe you’d say they didn’t know what they were talking about if the very people you want to say it did say it, or that their opinion could have changed since then.
 
You don’t know, same as I do. What we HAVE is what I’ve given, which is a damn sight more evidence to my argument than yours.

It was only a joke. I didn’t mean to start this. Second I aggree that I don’t think the comics are canon but that’s me. Can we go back to cute baby bugs now?

@DAPLR  
It is, but said evidence is itself both second-hand and subject to word definition confusion. We’ve had similar statements (before the post you mentioned) that said that the events of the show are canon to the comics, but not vice versa, which makes you wonder if they reversed their stance, or if there’s some kind of confusion of terms involved in this game of telephone.
 
It’s basically implication vs suspect evidence. Until we either get a clear statement from an actual Hasbro executive with creative authority over all branches of the franchise or McCarthy herself, it will never be 100% clear.

@Fwelin  
An argument without evidence AGAINST evidence is difficult. I am under no illusion that the comics have an impact on the show. But just because they are not given consideration, and will likely NEVER impact on the show whatsoever doesn’t change the fact that, at the end of the day, the characters officially had that happen to them.

@DAPLR  
The situation is actually quite complicated, since the way fandoms generally use the term “canon” isn’t actually the actual definition (we use the word more similarly to the word continuity). By the actual definition, all of the MLP work is canon, because canon basically just means official, or genuine.
 
However, it could be argued that the comics aren’t in continuity with the show, given comments by the IDW MLP editor that show writers, the people in charge of how the continuity goes, don’t pay attention to the events of the comics in any real capacity.
 
I’m personally pretty ambivalent on whether non-contradictory comics are in continuity with the show or not.

@DAPLR  
Same.

@Meanlucario  
Are you kidding me? How ignorant and stubborn can you be? You’re not even worth my time.

@DAPLR  
Saying it over and over doesn’t help convince me. Also, it’s an comic-writer that says that, not a show writer. There’s a difference.

@Meanlucario  
 
Not true. Comics are canon dude.

@DAPLR  
MAGIC is not an excuse for doing anything you want. The picture shows Celestia blasting her with a laser, as stylized as it is, and the caption says that said specific laser caused “dramatic permanent damage”.
 
You’re right, a single brute force shot isn’t going to do that, which means it signficantly contradicts the show, which means it’s non-canon. Before this recent episode it was possible that she blasted every changeling at once, but now that we’ve seen them be born after that, that’s not possible anymore.

@Keith Mowz  
I kind of find this argument funny, since the comics are like a semi-official fanfic, since they are people’s take on the series that they’re paid to make. They’re a different canon from the show, but still a canon of its own.

@Fwelin  
LITERALLY MAGIC happens in the show!! You are PRESUMING it’s pure force with no evidence. We only see Celestia do SOMETHING to Chrysalis to make the holes appear. The actual panel it happens in is made in such a way that it is not 100 percent clear what happened due to the style change, like something out of legend. For years later, naturally after the birth of other changelings, they ALSO still have holes. In the same comic because they all do now, that is what Celestia’s attack did.
 
What we DO know is whatever Celestia did effected ALL the changelings. And a single brute shot isn’t gonna do that.

@Meanlucario  
Considering DAPLR is currently tubthumping for the comics elsewhere, all day if people keep responding to him.

@Fwelin  
@DAPLR  
@The Smiling Pony  
Any idea how long you guys are going to be at this?

@The Smiling Pony  
Doing what needs to be done =/= putting a mutilating curse on an entire race for no actual reason, because she had already beaten them.

@DAPLR  
You know what a brute force type of attack means, right? It means that the attack had no damage vectors other than physical force, so curses don’t qualify.
 
Logically, it’s impossible for a brute force attack on Chrysalis to pass down said injuries to changelings born after said event, so since the recent episode showed that changelings born afterwards still have holes, it’s no longer the origin of the holes, as it contradicts the show.

@Fwelin  
Clearly? How so? How can a curse not be ‘brute force’? It was a panel that was similar in style to the opening shots of the very first episode.
 
Regardless, it doesn’t matter. The fact of the situation is that when Celestia did that to Chrysalis, she and all her changelings and future changelings had holes. You can say it was ‘pure force’, and I can say it was ‘a curse’, but at the end of it, she still has holes. And that is the origin of the holes, so logically, that is where the holes come from.